What opponent range does this assume? Does that not effect the playable hands?
Show HN: Floptimal – Preflop ranges reimagined
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#12This looks really cool, but even as someone who has dabbled a bit in poker I have no idea what I am looking at. Presumably, this is for people who are already advanced to get a little bit better? Otherwise, if you want to level up my poker game I would need a few lower rungs on the ladder.
This part of the help page will get you started, if you're at all interested: https://www.floptimal.com/help#poker-basics
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#13Is there a glossary? I know how to play poker roughly but I have no idea how to use this awesome website.
There isn't a glossary per se but we tried covering all the basics and terminology here: https://www.floptimal.com/help#poker-basics.
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#14What opponent range does this assume? Does that not effect the playable hands?
its probably nash equilibrium ranges. so you break even if your opponent plays the equilibrium and are ahead if your opponent deviates. however, if you know your opponents ranges then you are leaving money on the table by using a nash strategy.
also, it's a bit more complex because its not heads up so i don't think there is a proper equilibrium. but i've seen a lot of preflop ranges that for these small stacks that claim to be solved using computers. i guess with multiway they use a lot of abstractions to make the problem simpler.
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#15I think a Poker app that doesn't start with a poker table as the primary driver of the UX is going to have a hard time getting traction with people who aren't already experts, and at that point you might as well just start off charging money.
Launching anything is extremely hard, congratulations! I hope this goes well for you, I do like the layout of information, even though (as others have already commented) I don't understand what many of the tables are meant to represent. Very clean, if inscrutable!
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#16I have no idea what's going on, but I love the UI -- definitely targets the power user well.
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#17I think a Poker app that doesn't start with a poker table as the primary driver of the UX is going to have a hard time getting traction with people who aren't already experts, and at that point you might as well just start off charging money. Launching anything is extremely hard, congratulations! I hope this goes well for you, I do like the layout of information, even though (as others have already commented) I don't…
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#18This looks really cool, but even as someone who has dabbled a bit in poker I have no idea what I am looking at. Presumably, this is for people who are already advanced to get a little bit better? Otherwise, if you want to level up my poker game I would need a few lower rungs on the ladder.
This is sort of a modernized web-based PokerStove. It's useful when you are at the stage where you are deep analyzing past hands or perhaps deciding whether preflop shoves in tournaments were good.
But I think even as someone who has used PokerStove in the past, and has programmed some range evaluators, the UI is pretty intimidating for me.
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#19What opponent range does this assume? Does that not effect the playable hands?
The data was generated in a Nash equilibrium with the sim playing against itself. So the opponent ranges are the ranges you see in the app.
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#20Is there an API?
Floptimal dev here, thanks for your interest!
We created our app to make it easy and accessible for poker players who aren't necessarily as computer savvy as the average HN'er, so our focus has been on presentation and the quick ability to dig through the data by hand, as a study tool. If you're interested in the raw data there are tools such as PIO (https://www.piosolver.com/), monker (https://monkerware.com/), and Simple (https://simplepoker.com/en/Solutions/Simple_Preflop_Holdem) that give you all sorts of control and more data than you could hope for. But they do take a very long time to run and need some legit hardware to do it, which is why another common approach is to sell the data. (We use monker and some proprietary things to generate and validate our data.)