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Re: Reclaim Windows10

#171

Post by vetinari »

tomnipotent wrote: post #142
majkinetor wrote: post #135

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Yes, I was wrong - its not by a factor of 2, more like a factor or 3 to 5. The best way to make your computer age 10 years in a second is to enable ANY antivirus. There are so many places that you can check that out if you didn't experience it, or u need me to LMGTFY ?

So you decide to double down on your wrongness? Windows Defender has a marginal impact on performance, such that for most users and most tasks it's not even perceptible. > need me to LMGTFY You've provided zero evidence to the contrary. The burden of proof is on you.

> Windows Defender has a marginal impact on performance,

Oh, come on; there are issues like this: https://github.com/rust-lang/cargo/issues/5028 and the app developers do handstands in order to minimize the impact; for example, cargo guys had to redo their file closing on Windows to be done asynchronously, so they would not have to wait for Defender.

Re: Reclaim Windows10

#172

Post by vetinari »

vmception wrote: post #20
anaisbetts wrote: post #5

Nearly all of these "clean up" scripts are a horrendous idea to run on your machine, I see right at the top that this script disables SmartScreen, a service that absolutely should not be disabled unless you want your machine to get owned. It then proceeds to set your current network as Private (aka "open all the ports") regardless of which network you're connected to - hope you're at home! Other changes are completel…

I've seen disk images of windows on piracy sites that have all this stuff preconfigured you can get slim builds with chrome ready to go already, builds with all these cleanup scripts configured, and more sadly, they also know people in a rush are looking for this or prefer it, and they install backdoors or ways to steal your crypto on them and stuff I wouldn't even trust the scripts itself at this point, so I'm anoth…

> I wouldn't even trust the scripts itself at this point, so I'm another for just don't run this stuff

The scripts (they are mostly forks of https://github.com/Disassembler0/Win10-Initial-Setup-Script) are nicely written toggles for registry values or GPO, that you can read and selectively all. Nothing scary.

Re: Reclaim Windows10

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Post by criddell »

gnulinux wrote: post #162
criddell wrote: post #132

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Who cares about operating systems any more? That seems like a solved problem and frankly all the major ones are fine these days. Computers are chosen based on applications. If you want to play games, you are probably buying a Windows PC. Developing iOS apps? You want a Mac. If you just need a browser, then a Chrome Book or iPad is probably a good choice. I'd bet a lot of people here use three or more operating system…

> frankly all the major ones are fine these days. No Windows version since XP has been fine. They varied from utterly unusable crap to barely tolerable. I honestly never understood why people use Windows, is there an argument other than "I'm used to it"? I still have a small Win partition installed for rare Win-only things and every single time I interact with Win 10 I remember how utterly broken it is. Like the mome…

> is there an argument other than "I'm used to it"?

Yes. The argument is "I want to run X and it only runs (or runs best) on Windows|Linux|macOS. People don't fire up their computer because they want to use Linux or Windows, they fire it up because they want to play Assassin's Creed or XCode.

Re: Reclaim Windows10

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Post by vetinari »

haswell wrote: post #116
pessimizer wrote: post #40

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Specific criticism is very important and would lead to improvements in the script. However, all I'm seeing so far is general nay-saying.

So far, most of the criticism I've seen has been specific, and examples been provided that explain why the specific settings are problematic.

> examples been provided that explain why the specific settings are problematic.

I've seen some opinions, but none could be objectively evaluated as really pointing out problematic settings. They were more in the area of subjective preferences.

Re: Reclaim Windows10

#175

Post by vetinari »

phonethrowaway wrote: post #36
unionpivo wrote: post #15

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To be fair, you sometimes had to open the machines and fiddle with irq's and other things I already forgot about. I remember one machine, where I couldn't get sound blaster mouse, printer and modem to work at the same time. I do agree that nowadays software companies expect to just own you if you use their products. The sad part is that what Microsoft is doing is "normal" or even minimal compared to what Apple or Goo…

this is still a problem (irq conflicts) especially with thunderbolt enclosures...

At least with APIC/MSI we have way more IRQs than in during the i8259 times.

Re: Reclaim Windows10

#176

Post by fsflover »

criddell wrote: post #164
gnulinux wrote: post #163

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I have never met a single person in my entire life who likes using Windows. Everyone I know claims "yeah it's crap but this CAD/Industry standard software works only in Windows". I would guess they exist but I'd bet money they don't make up 99% of users.

You're kind of making the same point I was. People don't choose an OS for the sake of the OS, it's for the application support. I like using Windows as much as macOS or Linux. For different parts of my day I'll be using Windows or Linux or Android or iOS and at on each system the OS is there to support the applications I want to use.

It's called "walled garden" actually.

Re: Reclaim Windows10

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Post by dawnerd »

vetinari wrote: post #169
dawnerd wrote: post #94

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It's not all optional and off by default... They only ask about sending debug data to app developers, siri, and I believe find-my. Apple is a little worse since they try to force you into entering your credit cards for Apple pay.

> They only ask about sending debug data to app developers They ask two questions: * send telemetry to Apple; * allow sharing telemetry with app developers. If you don't agree with the first one, the second one is grayed out. wrt advertiserid, that's iOS/iPadOS only, on macOS it retuns zero-filled UUID.

Good catch on the macos advertiser id. It's just a matter of time for it to actually work as expected though.

Re: Reclaim Windows10

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Post by emptysongglass »

anaisbetts wrote: post #5

Nearly all of these "clean up" scripts are a horrendous idea to run on your machine, I see right at the top that this script disables SmartScreen, a service that absolutely should not be disabled unless you want your machine to get owned. It then proceeds to set your current network as Private (aka "open all the ports") regardless of which network you're connected to - hope you're at home! Other changes are completel…

I agree. If you want a stripped down Windows use Windows 10 LTSC. It's everything anyone wants from Windows without any of the cruft. I'm a Linux person but when I installed LTSC for my wife all her complaints about sudden reboots and other unwanted behavior evaporated.

Makes you wonder why they bother with any other Windows.

Re: Reclaim Windows10

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Post by rsynnott »

dawnerd wrote: post #177
vetinari wrote: post #169

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> They only ask about sending debug data to app developers They ask two questions: * send telemetry to Apple; * allow sharing telemetry with app developers. If you don't agree with the first one, the second one is grayed out. wrt advertiserid, that's iOS/iPadOS only, on macOS it retuns zero-filled UUID.

Good catch on the macos advertiser id. It's just a matter of time for it to actually work as expected though.

> It's just a matter of time for it to actually work as expected though.

Eh, I mean they just recently made it effectively useless on iOS (requires a prompt before it works; unsurprisingly very few users give permission). Not sure why they'd go the other direction on MacOS... I suspect it's just there for Catalyst compatibility.

Re: Reclaim Windows10

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Post by criddell »

fsflover wrote: post #176
criddell wrote: post #164

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You're kind of making the same point I was. People don't choose an OS for the sake of the OS, it's for the application support. I like using Windows as much as macOS or Linux. For different parts of my day I'll be using Windows or Linux or Android or iOS and at on each system the OS is there to support the applications I want to use.

It's called "walled garden" actually.

No it isn't. If you wanted to call iOS a walled garden, I wouldn't argue. I would also say it's not necessarily a bad thing.

I wouldn't call Windows, Linux, or macOS walled gardens.

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