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The article didn’t resonate with me at all either, but I think it’s mainly because I don’t fit into the collective “we” the author talks about. > We apply to hundreds of jobs. We swipe on hundreds if not thousands of people on dating apps. Many of us are like me, and perpetually have an infinite loop of notifications on an infinite loop of communication apps. Naturally if you go head first into potentially thousands…
Have these people forgotten how to live in the world without these apps? I understand how some folks get there with technology, but put the apps and screens down and go live in the real world. This concept that people are somehow captive to these apps blows my mind a little. I am generation X though, I grew up being kicked out of the house during the day and was forced to run around and play outside when not in schoo…
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I think incels attract hate because many of them online become so twisted from their pain that they end up externalizing a lot of the factors that makes them involuntarily celibate, rather than accepting any personal responsibility. Discussions between incels in those communities amplify all the negative things they may be feeling and validates their opinions regardless of how absurd or offensive it may seem from an…
They aren't unlikeable because they can't get laid. They can't get laid because they are unlikeable.
Perhaps like ourobouros it feeds it self into a cycle that may amplify an initial bit of bad luck into a toxic cancer that kills it's host?
The thing that I discovered about dating is that the more you do it the easier it is and the better you get at it... just like many other things... but there is no way to really start up... and even then you need to get hurt, and try again. One of my most important relationships was with someone really emotionally abusive, but I was well-aware of it, and I took it as a learning opportunity to learn various skills that have served me well.
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#63The idea of cummulative rejection is interesting! I never thought about it that explicitly in that way. I think it's an idea that transcends social rejection and might apply to all rejection. In my case, I have this with job interviews. Unfortunately, every 10 additional rejections is affecting my mental health. This is about after a threshold of 50 initial rejections, including being rejected in the resume round. I…
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#64How much violence in society is a reaction to cumulative rejection? I'd guess a good deal if not most of it. Our ancient lobster-shared neural mechanisms take it deadly seriously whether we do consciously or not. From the long perspective of our selfish genes, rejection is a mortal threat. I appreciate the sympathetic treatment of incels in this article, which seems like an exception to the norm. I think most of us c…
It's not just that we can't help them. It's that we can't help them and there is a kernel of truth to what they are saying. It's also incredibly hard to tell someone to drop their standards.
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Why is that funny? Our own (German) culture is full of usage of english words. Wouldn't it be natural to assume that other people would likewise adopt foreign words?
Yeah, apparently it is natural that languages do that. I think german does too much of that, we're basically too lazy to figure out how to phrase things properly in german, so we just stick in a few english words. That feels different then what english does with words like "Kindergarten" and "Zeitgeist". But I guess I am too much on one side of the fence to see the similarities.
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#68'Ghosting' is one of the most petty things imaginable. Sorry to say I judge a person's character so much by this. It's understandable that someone may not want to break up with their partner, but simply not responding is still terrible behaviour. I'd rather be yelled at than ghosted, at least it's candour. Summon the courage and civility to find a few empathetic words and that's that. It's odd that we teach 'knowledg…
That's an extreme example, but I was trying to point out that dropping off the face of the earth to avoid an uncomfortable interaction, and lead to a _much more_ uncomfortable and awkward interaction later.
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#70How much violence in society is a reaction to cumulative rejection? I'd guess a good deal if not most of it. Our ancient lobster-shared neural mechanisms take it deadly seriously whether we do consciously or not. From the long perspective of our selfish genes, rejection is a mortal threat. I appreciate the sympathetic treatment of incels in this article, which seems like an exception to the norm. I think most of us c…
That is, you alone experience the feelings that emanate from within you. Sure, you can tell someone you feel sad, you can express joy. But you can't make someone else an integral part of what goes inside you. (Barring telepathy of course)
The togetherness we all crave is seeing how other people acknowledge, accept, recognize, validate our existence, and our identity and, most importantly, how we feel and experience life. That happens through actions, language, culture,... in countless ways really. And it gives us a sense of reassurance, acquiescence, confidence, trust,...
Rejection, then, is the awareness that the other person doesn't share that sense of reconciling their experience with yours. Either they have a profoundly different experience of life that doesn't align with yours; or they choose to live a different experience from yours.
Rejection is par for the course. Humanity isn't like the Borg. 7.8 billion lives each live their own individual of being alive, within their own bubble. You can recognize that you both feel similarly about each other, each within your own experience, and act on those feelings, or you don't.
The awareness of this disjointed experiences between you and the other causes discomfort within yourself. It raises questions. And above all, it makes it utterly clear that you are very much alone with yourself and your feelings.
What makes all the difference then is in how you deal with those feelings.
Regardless of all the advice, therapy, medication,... the hard truth is that you and you alone are confronted with the feelings and emotions that go on inside yourself. It's entirely up to you to face those and to figure out how to approach yourself.
You could do that through self soothing, positive affirmation of yourself, showing compassion and kindness towards yourself and so on. Or you could choose self loathing, beating yourself up, talking yourself down, blaming yourself, the rest of the world, the universe and so on. It's entirely your choice.
This has absolutely nothing to do with being rejected by others, and everything with how you decide to view and treat yourself.
Emotional maturity is about understanding this difference.
Having said that, it's important to recognize that people come in all sizes. Emotional maturity isn't 100% a choice. It's also determined by your mental health and your circumstances (upbringing, social economic situation, education, past experiences,...)
Even so (and this important) that doesn't mean you are excused from your personal responsibility as to how you deal with your own feelings and emotions.
Here's how that works:
> I think that's why incels attract such hate.
I mentioned that everyone looks towards each other for validation, recognition, acknowledgement and so on, right? This works both ways. If you choose to indulge in utter self loathing, and you decide to express that by behaving in a destructive fashion towards yourself and other people, well, the vast majority of people won't recognize their own experience in that... and simply walk away in an effort their own mental and physical integrity.
It's not "hate", it's called "guarding your own boundaries". And has absolutely nothing to do with discrimination.
You aren't being discriminated because you are somehow "less attractive". People simply walk away because they perceive you as emotional immature and your behavior as threatening.
Discrimination, however, is a different ballgame. That would be actively invalidating the experience and the existence of others through violent behavior. Simply because you feel, you are convinced, that the other doesn't fit in your own experience of life, your own view of the world, your own beliefs and you decide to act out on those feelings... And that's absolutely not what happens when you get rejected over a job interview, or a date.