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What Oxford taught me about posh people

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In the past, a lot of (non-slave) people immigrated to the USA precisely because they were impoverished -- for example, Irish fleeing the Great Famine, among many others. > "Give me your tired, your poor, / Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, / The wretched refuse of your teeming shore." Whether those words are as appropriate today may be another matter, of course.

Something like 100,000 people per month are flooding into America via the southern border. What are they fleeing from?

crime fueled by America's War on Drugs.

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So if you are a self motivated CS type of person considering what kind of education is available to you and that "socializing" is not your panacea, is there any alternative to the traditional college? Would Bill Gates still drop out of Harvard these days?

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> the Nordics prove that they are genuinely better places to live economically speaking The Nordics live atop an ocean of oil they sell that provides 20% of their GDP. This is hardly a situation other countries can replicate. P.S. I want to spend a summer sometime touring Norway and its astonishing beauty.

Familiarize yourself with the basics of welfare state economics before engaging further. Norway isn't the only Nordic. All of the Nordics fund their welfare state with generally high levels of redistributive taxation, it's not oil-specific. Limited withdrawals are made from Norway's large SWF and it funds very little of their welfare state. And of course, there is nothing unique about oil as a form of capital. Many f…

Yes but norway do fund their welfare state with oil, which is why they didn't have to make as many budget cuts in the 90s as Sweden did. And Sweden financed its welfare state by being neutral in WWII which meant they had intact industry while all the competitors were wiped out, so they could just export for 4 decades. Much like the US also did after WWII for example with the car industry which were profitable until the 80s when the japanese caught up.

I'm still sceptical if there even exists a successful welfare state that does not rely on natural resources, or the aftermath of some war.

Re: What Oxford taught me about posh people

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The US raised scores of millions of immigrants from poverty to the middle class. Poor people immigrated to the US, people with nothing but a suitcase. The US has seen the most spectacular rise from poverty to wealth ever seen in history. In WW1, for example, the German soldiers knew they had lost when the Americans arrived, well equipped, tall, and fat with food. The Japanese soldiers had a similar reaction when faci…

The US raised scores of millions of immigrants from poverty to the middle class. Poor people immigrated to the US, people with nothing but a suitcase. The US has seen the most spectacular rise from poverty to wealth ever seen in history. You won't get very far turning up to the US with nothing but a suitcase today. If you don't have significant assets or a confirmed job offer you'll be turned around and sent back to…

> If you don't have significant assets or a confirmed job offer you'll be turned around and sent back to where you came from

How do you then explain the existence of sanctuary cities?

Re: What Oxford taught me about posh people

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What I learned from going to university, after growing up as a working class child, was, don't play predefined games.

Those people with academic parents/relatives will all come prepared. They will drink more than you at parties and still ace their exams without any problems.

Your best chance of success are ways of life that aren't easily prepared for, because it levels the field.

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And the US isn't a good example of a country where people have a fair chance at success in life IMO.

The US raised scores of millions of immigrants from poverty to the middle class. Poor people immigrated to the US, people with nothing but a suitcase. The US has seen the most spectacular rise from poverty to wealth ever seen in history. In WW1, for example, the German soldiers knew they had lost when the Americans arrived, well equipped, tall, and fat with food. The Japanese soldiers had a similar reaction when faci…

just think in just 24 more years WW2 will have been over for a century.

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#3 and #5 are by-products of extreme privilege. Take your average bootcamper, they usually rack up a huge bill majoring in something in college (often a literal dream major), then somehow field a 17k check to just waltz over to tech when they need an office job finally. Not everyone can do this. You have to be really lucky to play games like that and still be fine. The same goes for ‘going off to start my own food tr…

#5 - I think that grading is not a good feedback for many disadvantaged kids and their parents. I was being told that without good grades I will not land a good job. This kind of advice is worthless for a 12yo and not really true. Having a good attitude towards learning is an universally more applicable and could lead to a thriving society when applied generally.

I completely agree. And that's why I'm sending my children to a Waldorf school without grading.

Re: What Oxford taught me about posh people

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I expected Oxford undergraduates to be the best from all over the world, intensely passionate about their subjects. What I found were kids more passionate about drinking and clubbing and gossiping than studying. There seemed to be some weird hierarchy about who sits where in the dining hall that was completely bizarre. 'Default' social activities organized by the various committees all involved brain-dead clubbing an…

(MA Cantab matriculated 1997)

> kids more passionate about drinking and clubbing and gossiping than studying ... not like the world of Turing or Feynman at all.

I think you may have underestimated how much Feynman was a prankster, womaniser and bongo-player who occasionally did some physics as well :)

> you see them in the lectures, then you go back to your college

There's kind of a hidden initiative test here; it doesn't have to be that way, you can organise alternatives, and there's a whole intercollegiate infrastructure of extracurricular activities. There was a somewhat long-running university computer society when I was an undergrad, through which I found all the hackers, and some of us ended up starting a hosting service in my third year: https://www.srcf.net/ - that taught me far more of practical use than half the computing course.

May balls: yes, these are a bit odd and above my personal poshness threshold. I think they really do date from the era of Turing but not his subculture within that era, the big black tie social event belongs more to capital-S Society of debutantes and aristocrats.

> What I found shocking is that so many students were doing poorly academically.

The difficulty gap is real. Unlike all the education system people will have encountered previously, you can't coast unless you are very smart, and there will be extremely challenging material. It's .. deliberate is the wrong word, but there are certainly tutors who will up the difficulty level if their students are not struggling.

The mental health and motivational/pedagogical thinking is also stuck in the 19th century. Some of this does need to adapt to today's students.

> The more ambitious kids were more busy padding their CV to land a good job than doing what interests them.

This is far more what Oxford is "for" in British society because that's how you get ahead, unfortunately.

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> Did you know that the reason the Titanic was built was to en-masse ship poor people to the US? The first class bit was mostly window dressing. Third-class passage was £8, approximately $1000 in today's currency, i.e. more expensive than an equivalent trans-atlantic flight today, and too expensive for poor people to typically consider. > Middle class and rich people rarely immigrate. It's the poor that do. "The medi…

> too expensive for poor people to typically consider. Seriously? Poor people spend a grand on iPhones. Besides, have you seen those pictures of immigrants going through Ellis Island clutching their battered suitcases? Do they look like rich people to you? > That seems like middle class people to me. Yup. Came poor and moved up to middle class. BTW, I am properly amused by your theory that the US became a superpower…

> Seriously? Poor people spend a grand on iPhones.

Where? Poor people get second-hand iPhones, or subscribe to plans that bill you in small installments over a few years. And even those who manage to save up and buy a new one - in a modern civilization, a smartphone is a basic necessity, right there after food and shelter.

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I expected Oxford undergraduates to be the best from all over the world, intensely passionate about their subjects. What I found were kids more passionate about drinking and clubbing and gossiping than studying. There seemed to be some weird hierarchy about who sits where in the dining hall that was completely bizarre. 'Default' social activities organized by the various committees all involved brain-dead clubbing an…

This contributed to my departure from academia (UK professor). The majority of students didn't care, the staff cared even less, and senior management just wanted bums on seats. Gaining a position in academia is something that takes a lot of time, so the disappointment is still with me.

May I ask in what field you were working and what your occupation is now?

I'm curious if you can be a professor after the old model, before structured academia, find those willing to learn and do research and continue your passion without the encumbrances (and benefits) of a Uni. That probably depends on your subject area.

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