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Why have cameras and lenses become so expensive?

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Re: Why have cameras and lenses become so expensive?

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Lower volume, higher unit price. Also cameras and lenses are (generally) much much better than they used to be. Perhaps people are willing to pay more for a better thing.

The cause and effect you imply here are backwards I think. The products are better to justify their higher price, not higher priced because they're better. The first sentence has it right - if you're faced with lower volumes, the best way to cope is by raising prices.

I don't think it's either of those things.

The products are better because of steady improvement in precision manufacturing. Sensors and lenses have both come a long way, the latter is mostly a benefit of cheaper precision steppers.

The prices are higher because phones have taken the whole entry tier of the market out, pretty much. There's not a lot of point in a good digital camera with one noninterchangeable zoom lens, when pictures from a phone camera are almost as high quality, and action cameras like the GoPro also chipped away at that product.

Cameras are a specialty product now, with APS-C and 3/4 as the entry level. People who want that kind of control and quality are willing to pay for it, and there aren't as many of us as there used to be.

Re: Why have cameras and lenses become so expensive?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, hard to justify buying a low end camera when your phone has a better one built in

Your phone camera is not as good as a cheap DSLR paired with a cheap 35mm f/1.8 in absolute terms. Your phone camera is way better at the job to be done , which is to quickly share pics of your cock, cats, or kids, depending on what age bracket you are in. Traditional cameras, in which I include mirrorless, are still terrrrible when it comes to quickly bouncing a photo to Instagram, and arguably even worse when it co…

> cheap DSLR paired with a cheap 35mm f/1.8 in absolute terms.

I think this depends on the shot. The Pixel 4 easily beats “cheap DSLR” in several settings, particularly low light. I know folks who have an iPhone as a phone and a Pixel as a camera :).

It’s true that it’s also much better at “photo production” (capture => minor edit => post), but I think you can find examples where the photo itself is strictly better.

Re: Why have cameras and lenses become so expensive?

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Supply and demand. Everyone has a capable smart phone now. This removes the middle market for cameras, and only the pro/prosumer high end cameras which adds all sorts of bells and whistles.

But... shouldn't there a "thriving" market of used lenses as people have moved to phone camera only ditching the old D/SLRs? Or were most of the dedicated cameras point-and-shoot with a kit zoom lens?

You have to factor in the additional people making YouTube content buying camera equipment.

Re: Why have cameras and lenses become so expensive?

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I'm a prosumer hobbyist with a Nikon D850 and a handful of expensive lenses that I enjoy, but I'm not sure I would buy them again. I love the experience of shooting with them and loath the experience of getting my images off the device and onto a computer or phone. It creates a film-like experience where by the time I get around to processing images I've often forgotten what I've shot. What I really want is an iPhone…

What is so difficult with removing an SD card and popping it into your PC? If you’re a prosumer, you probably review and edit photos, which is better done on a bigger monitor anyway.

Re: Why have cameras and lenses become so expensive?

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I'm a prosumer hobbyist with a Nikon D850 and a handful of expensive lenses that I enjoy, but I'm not sure I would buy them again. I love the experience of shooting with them and loath the experience of getting my images off the device and onto a computer or phone. It creates a film-like experience where by the time I get around to processing images I've often forgotten what I've shot. What I really want is an iPhone…

The software, and integration with my other devices, feels twenty years in the past (I have a Sony) and the quality of still photography is better, but with phone cameras steadily closing the gap. The quality of video is massively better, however. Just no comparison. My ideal would be for Apple to buy Blackmagic. Probably wouldn't, but... can you imagine if they did?

I like the work they did together on the eGPUs.

It would be much more interesting to me than the Beats acquisition.

Re: Why have cameras and lenses become so expensive?

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My new cellphone literally has a Hasselblad camera on it. I get all the things that make better cameras better, but I already have stupidly high end living in my pocket. It's not like that company would put their brand on anything crap. So, it's really basic economics. The middle of the market is getting eating by what used to be the bottom. So all that's left is the top

> My new cellphone literally has a Hasselblad camera on it Sorry to bust your bubble, but no, your phone doesn't have a Hasselblad camera on it. It has a lens that Hasselblad worked on, together with the vendor. Which in itself tells more about brand dilution, and the market loss of cameras to phones, than the quality of your phone's camera.

It might be even worse, if I recall correctly, Hasselblad might be only responsible for the color science.

Re: Why have cameras and lenses become so expensive?

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I own a zeiss 55mm e-mount lens and it is absolutely incredible. Never fails to blow people’s minds with its sharpness and depth of field. No comparison with smartphone lenses and easily worth the money. I cherish many photos and moments with that lens. Also, a side note: one of the biggest advantages of a larger sensor like those used in full frame and medium format cameras is the ability to crop in post. Its really about treating photography as an artform - composition matters.

Re: Why have cameras and lenses become so expensive?

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I'm a prosumer hobbyist with a Nikon D850 and a handful of expensive lenses that I enjoy, but I'm not sure I would buy them again. I love the experience of shooting with them and loath the experience of getting my images off the device and onto a computer or phone. It creates a film-like experience where by the time I get around to processing images I've often forgotten what I've shot. What I really want is an iPhone…

Have you tried wifi SD cards?

https://thedroidguy.com/6-best-wifi-sd-cards-in-2019-1096952

Re: Why have cameras and lenses become so expensive?

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Some niche markets are irrationally expensive e.g. bicycles.

I was shocked when I started shopping for an electric bike, to see that in my city, there are multiple bike shops selling e-bikes from 5K to 15K a piece. I'm surprised that these businesses can all survive, because the median income before taxes here is about ~62K. I mean who's actually buying this? But I guess if you're selling 15K bikes, you only need to sell about two a month to pay the bills.

They are all over Marin County, CA.

And I'm jealous. I wish I had a high end electric bike, but my patched together Zapp bike is kinda ok for now.

If I was younger, with money, and connections; I would be all over manufacturing electric bikes.

These high end bikes are basically motorcycles. They look fun, and practical.

Right now they are not regulated, and I hope it stays that way. They have given out of shape, or disabled, people a way to get out in nature.

I do see a lot on Craigslist though. I have a feeling, my wealthy neighbors buy them, but were never bicyclists to begin with.

The minute I see one at my price point ($500 used), I'm buying one.

Oh yea, cops in my county have become revenue collectors. They harass anyone out after 10 pm. They pull over people at random for no reason. I think they assume everyone drinks like they do? They seem to be leaving electric bicycles alone--for now?

My dad bought his first Zapp bike because he was tired of being pulled over in the Richmond District in San Francisco, by cops looking for an marginal DUI. The Zapp bike made his life less stressful.

The price point of the nicer bikes needs to come down though. Even if I had 5-15 grand that I could blow, theft is still a concern.

Re: Why have cameras and lenses become so expensive?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was shocked when I started shopping for an electric bike, to see that in my city, there are multiple bike shops selling e-bikes from 5K to 15K a piece. I'm surprised that these businesses can all survive, because the median income before taxes here is about ~62K. I mean who's actually buying this? But I guess if you're selling 15K bikes, you only need to sell about two a month to pay the bills.

15K is decent motorcycle, very low end car territory already. That's exorbitant.

Heck no, you can get very reliable used cars for $5k. 15k gets you into a reasonably well used BMW (not that thats a sweet spot of value or anything.)
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