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Re: China allows couples to have three children

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Post by hutzlibu »

newdude116 wrote: post #253
hutzlibu wrote: post #79

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Can you raise a unreported child in china? How would that work? With no papers at all and the communist buerocrats also really likes paper about everything. ?

Yes you can. Money goes a long way there. Buddy of mine had two, one was illegal. When they make a law that you can have two, he made a third. I guess he will make a 4th now to send a clear message to the government :-)

But the children still have papers, so are not unreported, right?

There just was bribery or fine, but they still are registeredin the system? Or are they fake papers they have?

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Post by justicezyx »

stanrivers wrote: post #214

A lot of people are asking why a policy is even still needed - why not go for no limit at all? 1) There is an entire family planning bureaucracy within the CCP setup to manage this; would do you do with all those people if they are not needed anymore? 2) China is more strict on population planning for certain minorities - not officially, but in the background; think Muslims in western China or Tibet or Mongolians, or…

> China is more strict on population planning for certain minorities - not officially, but in the background; think Muslims in western China or Tibet or Mongolians, or ethnic Koreans in northeastern China... If you had no population planning for all the Han chinese, you might have a brighter light cast on this small in number but impactful population control actions.

LAMO

My mother was almost forced to sterilze, which would make me disappear in 1984, she is Han Chinese. That was because local beauracrats' stupid idea of birth planning.

Can you stop making CCP looking better by saying it's discrinating against minorities...

Edit: I was the 2nd child.

Re: China allows couples to have three children

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Post by stanrivers »

justicezyx wrote: post #262
stanrivers wrote: post #214

A lot of people are asking why a policy is even still needed - why not go for no limit at all? 1) There is an entire family planning bureaucracy within the CCP setup to manage this; would do you do with all those people if they are not needed anymore? 2) China is more strict on population planning for certain minorities - not officially, but in the background; think Muslims in western China or Tibet or Mongolians, or…

> China is more strict on population planning for certain minorities - not officially, but in the background; think Muslims in western China or Tibet or Mongolians, or ethnic Koreans in northeastern China... If you had no population planning for all the Han chinese, you might have a brighter light cast on this small in number but impactful population control actions. LAMO My mother was almost forced to sterilze, whic…

Very curious - why was she selected for this?

Re: China allows couples to have three children

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Post by mensetmanusman »

stanrivers wrote: post #263
justicezyx wrote: post #262

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> China is more strict on population planning for certain minorities - not officially, but in the background; think Muslims in western China or Tibet or Mongolians, or ethnic Koreans in northeastern China... If you had no population planning for all the Han chinese, you might have a brighter light cast on this small in number but impactful population control actions. LAMO My mother was almost forced to sterilze, whic…

Very curious - why was she selected for this?

It was a broad policy that affected millions of women.

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Post by throwaway316943 »

jelsisi wrote: post #35
refurb wrote: post #18

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Considering countries who have tried to increase their birth rate have failed to even budge the number by 10%, I’m pretty sure the risk of too many births is pretty much non-existent.

This has to be looked at country by country. Unlike Europe, China still has a large rural, poor population. Without regulation, their population will explode, something the chinese government probably wants to avoid.

Instead of regulating their lives like they do with the child policy and making migration illegal maybe they should try improving their lives a little so they don’t need to have a ton of kids or work illegally and without services in order to get by? Who would have thunk a communist country would treat their poor workers so badly?

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Post by mensetmanusman »

elefanten wrote: post #254
chitowneats wrote: post #220

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"The ASPI report said birth rates in counties with a 90 percent or greater indigenous population declined by an average of 56.5 percent from 2017 to 2018, far more than other regions in Xinjiang and China during the same period." https://www.reuters.com/world/china/china-uses-coercive-poli... 56.5% decline in birth rates in one year when the right sample is taken. Beyond shocking. Doing such a thing with your left ha…

You’re absolutely right and this comment has no business being grayed.

Uncomfortable truths

Re: China allows couples to have three children

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Post by justicezyx »

baybal2 wrote: post #216
throw0101a wrote: post #11

There is some question on whether the one-child policy was even needed. If you look at a graph of "children per mother" chart before and after the original policy went into effect, it's quite evident that rates were dropping for more than a decade beforehand: * https://www.stlouisfed.org/on-the-economy/2016/october/china... * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Birth_rate_in_China.svg * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/O…

> There is some question on whether the one-child policy was even needed. > The ghastly human rights violations that led from the policy were completely unnecessary. No, this was entirely intentional. That was the whole point. This is "the big lie theory" taken to its extreme. It was done to keep people, and party cadres preoccupied. If you were to speak to an adult Chinese at around late eighties, the 1 child policy…

Right.

And you known who proposed and architected the "one-child policy": Yinchu Ma.

His theory is influenced by Malthus [2]. And you know what, Mr. Ma's theory were not recognized until Mr. Deng come into power. And Mr. Deng realized there are so many people but no way the economy machine is going to find jobs for so many people.

Although in the end Mr. Ma and Malthus were all wrong. They never experienced the prosperity's effect on people's behavior in making baby. Like any mass production.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ma_Yinchu#:~:text=Ma's%20theor....

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malthusianism

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Post by stanrivers »

mensetmanusman wrote: post #264
stanrivers wrote: post #263

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Very curious - why was she selected for this?

It was a broad policy that affected millions of women.

Understood - but I think he was saying that before she even had one child, they were trying to force sterilize his mother, who was Han Chinese.

That is a new concept to me, unless maybe it was wealth / income / genetic disease related?

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Post by prepend »

faitswulff wrote: post #210
prepend wrote: post #195

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Infanticide doesn’t mean psychopaths. It’s been practiced, and I think super bad, by many cultures. I don’t think that means the culture is full of psychopaths. Also, I assumed the reason there was no evidence posted for the Chinese infanticide claim is that it’s extremely common and has been known for a long time. I just assumed everyone was aware. It doesn’t mean people killing literal babies, but does mean stuff l…

This is the only reply worth reading. Even then, abortion is not infanticide.

That’s an important distinction. And why I called out that much of the ratio imbalance is due to abortion and not literally people killing their baby after birth, although this does occur nonzero and is really horrifying to me.

Ancient cultures practiced it much more frequently and I think shows how different cultures have different values for life.

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Post by justicezyx »

stanrivers wrote: post #263
justicezyx wrote: post #262

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> China is more strict on population planning for certain minorities - not officially, but in the background; think Muslims in western China or Tibet or Mongolians, or ethnic Koreans in northeastern China... If you had no population planning for all the Han chinese, you might have a brighter light cast on this small in number but impactful population control actions. LAMO My mother was almost forced to sterilze, whic…

Very curious - why was she selected for this?

She was a poor rural village woman.

Of course, forced sterilization is not going to work in the cities. Because people with some form of certain degree of intellect understand the use of contraception and can just forgo their job or certain possession to pay the fine.

Forced sterilization was never an explicit policy. Everyone with decent intellect knows that's ridiculous.

It was practiced, of course, out of middle and low level bureaucracy's sense of "meeting the goal".

Of course CCP has not enough resources to enforce a ridiculous policy anyway.

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