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Re: China allows couples to have three children

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Post by DangitBobby » Mon, May 31, 2021, 5:02 PM UTC

baybal2 wrote: post #216

throw0101a wrote: post #11

There is some question on whether the one-child policy was even needed. If you look at a graph of "children per mother" chart before and after the original policy went into effect, it's quite evident that rates were dropping for more than a decade beforehand: * https://www.stlouisfed.org/on-the-economy/2016/october/china... * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Birth_rate_in_China.svg * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/O…

> There is some question on whether the one-child policy was even needed. > The ghastly human rights violations that led from the policy were completely unnecessary. No, this was entirely intentional. That was the whole point. This is "the big lie theory" taken to its extreme. It was done to keep people, and party cadres preoccupied. If you were to speak to an adult Chinese at around late eighties, the 1 child policy…

I did not consider this could be the case for China since I am frankly pretty ignorant of Chinese politics, but I have suspected for a while that the US government heavily invests in such distractions from the real issues.

Re: China allows couples to have three children

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Post by whoevercares » Mon, May 31, 2021, 5:02 PM UTC

It boils down to three succinct word in Chinese: 养不起

Re: China allows couples to have three children

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Post by newdude116 » Mon, May 31, 2021, 5:05 PM UTC

hutzlibu wrote: post #79

himlion wrote: post #22

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Killed, or just unreported? Probably both, but I guess more unreported.

Can you raise a unreported child in china? How would that work? With no papers at all and the communist buerocrats also really likes paper about everything. ?

Yes you can. Money goes a long way there.

Buddy of mine had two, one was illegal. When they make a law that you can have two, he made a third. I guess he will make a 4th now to send a clear message to the government :-)

Re: China allows couples to have three children

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Post by elefanten » Mon, May 31, 2021, 5:05 PM UTC

chitowneats wrote: post #220

stanrivers wrote: post #214

A lot of people are asking why a policy is even still needed - why not go for no limit at all? 1) There is an entire family planning bureaucracy within the CCP setup to manage this; would do you do with all those people if they are not needed anymore? 2) China is more strict on population planning for certain minorities - not officially, but in the background; think Muslims in western China or Tibet or Mongolians, or…

"The ASPI report said birth rates in counties with a 90 percent or greater indigenous population declined by an average of 56.5 percent from 2017 to 2018, far more than other regions in Xinjiang and China during the same period." https://www.reuters.com/world/china/china-uses-coercive-poli... 56.5% decline in birth rates in one year when the right sample is taken. Beyond shocking. Doing such a thing with your left ha…

You’re absolutely right and this comment has no business being grayed.

Re: China allows couples to have three children

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Post by mlyle » Mon, May 31, 2021, 5:05 PM UTC

areyousure wrote: post #62

dan-robertson wrote: post #50

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Wasn’t their some policy saying that rural mothers could have a second child if their first was a girl? If they each had the maximum number of children, it would lead to an average of about 1 boy and 0.75 girls per rural mother.

50% B + 25% GB + 25% GG = 0.75 B + 0.75 G. Can you think of a law ("stopping rule") that could even get the expected number of boys higher than the expected number of girls?

It's actually even worse for the assertion than this, because the genders of babies from the same parents are not independent statistical events.

So, if you have 1 B, you stop.

If you have 1G, you may have another child, which is somewhat more likely to be a girl than a boy. So you'd expect this policy (in isolation) to produce a surplus of girls.

Re: China allows couples to have three children

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Post by enraged_camel » Mon, May 31, 2021, 5:06 PM UTC

rainworld wrote: post #250

enraged_camel wrote: post #242

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>> in particular for natives (you know, the ones who built the countries everybody else seems so hell-bent immigrating to) It was difficult to read this and not laugh because it conveniently leaves out First Nations, as well as the fact that the USA in particular used immense amounts of slave labor while the "natives" you refer to (the whites) reaped the rewards in relative comfort.

I’m not american.

I didn't say only America used slave labor.

Re: China allows couples to have three children

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Post by whoevercares » Mon, May 31, 2021, 5:07 PM UTC

bellyfullofbac wrote: post #105

hutzlibu wrote: post #79

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Can you raise a unreported child in china? How would that work? With no papers at all and the communist buerocrats also really likes paper about everything. ?

https://thediplomat.com/2015/03/chinas-hidden-children/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2016/11/30... It's also China, where they put toxic stuff in watered down milk to make it look as foamy as protein-rich good milk: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_Chinese_milk_scandal , i.e. a place with a lot of corruption and where gaps are possible.

It’s just matter of couple hundreds RMB “pay the toll”

Re: China allows couples to have three children

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Post by [deleted] » Mon, May 31, 2021, 5:08 PM UTC

refenestrator wrote: post #236

stanrivers wrote: post #214

A lot of people are asking why a policy is even still needed - why not go for no limit at all? 1) There is an entire family planning bureaucracy within the CCP setup to manage this; would do you do with all those people if they are not needed anymore? 2) China is more strict on population planning for certain minorities - not officially, but in the background; think Muslims in western China or Tibet or Mongolians, or…

Historically, minorities were allowed to have more children than Han Chinese, FYI. Han only reached the same child allowance recently.

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Re: China allows couples to have three children

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Post by solox3 » Mon, May 31, 2021, 5:10 PM UTC

xdennis wrote: post #248

throwaway894345 wrote: post #133

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I’m a pretty staunch critic of China, but population control seems like a pretty good thing. I suppose ideally it would be promoted but ultimately voluntary, but I don’t think their single child policy was the worst thing they’ve done by far.

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Proportionately increasing or decreasing the number of people in a country is not the same as trying to wipe a race off the map.

Re: China allows couples to have three children

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Post by GordonS » Mon, May 31, 2021, 5:14 PM UTC

roody15 wrote: post #164

Interesting side note on china during the one-child policy era. This policy was enforced on the masses but highly educated people were given waivers. If you were a engineer, professor or any highly skilled professional you were encouraged to have lots of children. China’s one child policy was mainly about population control but also had a eugenics component to it as well.

> China’s one child policy was mainly about population control but also had a eugenics component to it as well

That seems like a ludicrous leap to jump to.

Surely some far more obvious reasons are: better educated people are better able to judge whether they can afford to look after a child; people in skilled professions earn more money, and are more likely to afford to look after a child.