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i lifted this link to an image:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Paddlefish_Polyodon_spath...
from here :
Chinese paddlefish, one of the world's largest fish, declared extinct
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Re: Chinese paddlefish, one of the world's largest fish, declared extinct
#62Earlier quoted context omitted.
The whole article is talking about China attempts to preserve endangered fish species. It mostly talking about how in the 80 and 90s they didn't do those preservation research when building dams. The article also talks that its not only happening in China these old paddlefish species are endangered all over the globe.
To be fair you haven't answered my question but stated that there are nascent efforts to preserve endangered fish after the damage is done. I don't doubt there are efforts however I refer to any arm of the government with real power or any institution that isn't related to the government with real power. Agree species are dying everywhere after all we are in an Holocene extinction event. That said it seems to happeni…
It happened in the US already in the same way it's happening in India and China now. The Carolina Parakeet, the Passenger Pigeon, dozens or hundreds of native plants. Shoot, the entire ecosystem known as the Tallgrass Prarie is limited to a few pockets where it used to cover a large section of the Midwest.
Re: Chinese paddlefish, one of the world's largest fish, declared extinct
#63> survived unimaginable changes and upheavals, such as the mass extinction that killed the dinosaurs and marine reptiles like plesiosaurs that it swam alongside. It's generally my understanding that extant species have all continued evolving and while a creature may have strong morphological resemblance to its ancestor it is not the same species. Therefore, to say this creature "survived" the Cretaceous–Paleogene ext…
there is a framing and context that comes from massive consumption of biological science. when you hear statements like this, the thing that survives is the overall anatomical structure and adaptations indistinguishable from fossil remains except by the fact that fossilization has occured youare asking a legitimate question, and trying to clear up your own self recognized misunderstanding, sorry to see your comment g…
Re: Chinese paddlefish, one of the world's largest fish, declared extinct
#64Serious question here - not starting a flamewar. Are there any real organizations in China with power that protect the ecosystem and animals there? From an outsider it seems like they just build whatever they want without any concern for the environment they live in which ultimately will do significant damage to their own human population after the environment collapses and can't support them.
You know China is not a democracy right? There’s only one organization in China with any real power and they’re the ones building the dams. The environment collapsing so that it can’t support people is a pretty drastic leap from running certain fish into extinction.
They Chinese fishing fleet is also overfishing in international waters, so don't expect the CCP to care much about driving fish into extinction.
The Soviet fishing fleet also massacred a huge amount of whales just to meet dumb quotas imposed in a centrally planned economy. There was not much real demand for whale meat or oil in the Soviet Union.
Re: Chinese paddlefish, one of the world's largest fish, declared extinct
#65Earlier quoted context omitted.
To be fair you haven't answered my question but stated that there are nascent efforts to preserve endangered fish after the damage is done. I don't doubt there are efforts however I refer to any arm of the government with real power or any institution that isn't related to the government with real power. Agree species are dying everywhere after all we are in an Holocene extinction event. That said it seems to happeni…
The distinction you're applying seem to be arbitrary. What makes Chinese efforts nascent but American efforts (where species also continue to go extinct) developed? Most efforts to preserve animals come after the damage is done. That's why we maintain an endangered species list. I'm not going to argue that China is as committed to, or as successful at, the goal as say the US is, but "not as good" is very different fr…
So I haven't actually said anything comparing US to China. I see you want to answer your own question unrelated to mine - which is alright.
I simply asked, and continue to ask without anyone being able to answer it: Are there any organizations in China that have any real power to do anything to protect the ecosystems critical to animal life or is it unfettered development >> ecosystem.
Re: Chinese paddlefish, one of the world's largest fish, declared extinct
#66Earlier quoted context omitted.
there is a framing and context that comes from massive consumption of biological science. when you hear statements like this, the thing that survives is the overall anatomical structure and adaptations indistinguishable from fossil remains except by the fact that fossilization has occured youare asking a legitimate question, and trying to clear up your own self recognized misunderstanding, sorry to see your comment g…
See also: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Living_fossil
>>The minimal superficial changes to living fossils are mistakenly declared the absence of evolution, but they are examples of stabilizing selection, which is an evolutionary process—and perhaps the dominant process of morphological evolution.[4]if you want to talk about genetic modifications that is sequitorial however the framing of the statement involves anatomical structure, thus the confusions that have arisen over time.
Re: Chinese paddlefish, one of the world's largest fish, declared extinct
#67Re: Chinese paddlefish, one of the world's largest fish, declared extinct
#68What was wrong with the better original title "The Chinese paddlefish, one of world's largest fish, has gone extinct"
My guess is that the title that the submitter originally suggested (with dam info that is not in the original title) was over the 80-character limit for HN titles, so they shortened it to the current existing (and confusing) title.
For reference when it inevitably gets changed, it’s currently “Yangtze dam separates Paddlefish, largest, from spawn, now extinct”.
Original title is:
The Chinese paddlefish, one of world's largest fish, has gone extinct
Subtitle is:
Native to China’s Yangtze River, these fish grew 23 feet in length, but haven’t been spotted since 2003.
Re: Chinese paddlefish, one of the world's largest fish, declared extinct
#69Serious question here - not starting a flamewar. Are there any real organizations in China with power that protect the ecosystem and animals there? From an outsider it seems like they just build whatever they want without any concern for the environment they live in which ultimately will do significant damage to their own human population after the environment collapses and can't support them.
You know China is not a democracy right? There’s only one organization in China with any real power and they’re the ones building the dams. The environment collapsing so that it can’t support people is a pretty drastic leap from running certain fish into extinction.
I am very aware of who runs China. Which is why I asked the question - are there any organizations within China that have any real power.
My suspicion is that the CCP has no real effort or interest and the lack of people able to answer with a: Yes the CCP is seriously trying to protect the environment/ecosystem/species through the following things likely speaks to the lack of interest/initiative.
Re: Chinese paddlefish, one of the world's largest fish, declared extinct
#70> This dam, which was constructed without a fish ladder or bypass, cut off the paddlefish from their only spawning grounds upstream, which had only been discovered in the late 1970s. How effective are fish ladders? If they’re effective, shouldn’t we focus on building a fish ladder on all existing dams?
Well these fish were very large. I cannot imagine what a fish ladder would look like. There is one for salmon where I live and it is not that big. They have been trying to bring salmon back for over 30 years. Not much luck so far.