Then when I point out this sort of shit to explain why I insist in keeping Win7, people say I am nuts and that Win10 is fine.
Cannot install Windows 7 on newer Cpu's and cannot get certain drivers anymore.
Windows 10 nagging users with Bing advertisements (push alerts)
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Re: Windows 10 nagging users with Bing advertisements (push alerts)
#13210 or 15 years ago, this behaviour would universally be called adware and shunned, yet now Microsoft does it too? In addition to the Windows 10 alert, Microsoft Edge has also gained a new full-screen prompt that advises users to restore the ‘recommended’ browser and set Bing as the default search engine. ...complete with Corporate Memphis[1]. That screenshot sums up just about everything I hate about "modern" softwar…
To Microsoft's defense everyone does it. Everytime there is an OS update on iOS, I know I will have to go through a dozen of modals that nag me for apple services.
Good point, bad framing. We should scrutinize Apple just as much. And they're doing it for much longer. At the same time Apple forbids Apps to push ad notifications (unsuccsesfully), which is even worse.
Re: Windows 10 nagging users with Bing advertisements (push alerts)
#133Earlier quoted context omitted.
> do yourself a favor and use LSTC Would be nice if you could mention how your typical reader could feasibly (and legally) do this.
Microsoft licensing is such a byzantine hellscape that this assuredly is more complicated than can be easily summarized, but pretty much any of their resellers do have VL upgrade options. I don't normally like linking to vendors as it's not my job to drive them sales, but one of the top links off DDG: https://softwaremedia.com/shop/microsoft-windows-10-enterpri... Many people will find themselves happily hoisting a j…
Or you can buy a $10 key from Amazon, and not worry about KMS stopping working. I have no idea where those keys come from, but they work.
Re: Windows 10 nagging users with Bing advertisements (push alerts)
#134I'm sick of tech companies giving the only way to decline their preferred approach as "maybe later". No, I'm sure I don't want Bing or Edge next month either. If I change my mind I'm perfectly capable of finding the setting and even if I wasn't I'm sure it's only a DDG (or Bing I guess) search away to docs I'm almost certain you will have
When Microsoft updates Windows 10, they try to get you to sign in to a Microsoft account and present the options "Continue" and "Remind me in 3 days".
No, Microsoft, how about "no"? Or "fuck off"?
Re: Windows 10 nagging users with Bing advertisements (push alerts)
#135Windows 10 is showing a supposedly frightening message on the system preferences (aka control panel) top bar, just because Edge is not the default browser. That's misleading at best, fraud at worst.
The "Rewards" icon next to it is laughable.
Re: Windows 10 nagging users with Bing advertisements (push alerts)
#136Earlier quoted context omitted.
Microsoft has always done this. IE/Edge is there by default, you can't delay forever the machine restart after an update, and they've long since removed the TechNet subscriptions.
I don't see a problem with an OS bundling a browser by default. For so many people today the OS is anyway just some plumbing that runs their browser. But when it starts throwing popups at me to use this instead of that, or to reset my default "by accident" then I have a problem. And for this I blame Google who was big enough to afford nagging everyone to use Chrome whenever they set foot on Google turf. Youtube, Maps…
The "Good news, IE is now Edge" one was nice in the way it considered I wasn't doing anything of value when it appeared and I had nothing better to do than watch the sales pitch.
A real nice red flag.
Re: Windows 10 nagging users with Bing advertisements (push alerts)
#137Earlier quoted context omitted.
No, push notifications were invented for a very useful purpose — to notify you when something has happened . You know, emails, instant messages, social media interactions, all that kind of stuff. But then some bright minds figured out that they can also be used to try to manipulate you into doing something that would make the charts go up, since charts going up is apparently the single most important thing in the mod…
If you read modern documentation and tutorials for push APIs integrated into OSes[1] they'll tell you that the purpose of push notifications is to remind the user that your app is installed and encourage them to open it. [1]not IMAP IDLE and leaving a socket open, that's not allowed anymore. the app servers connect to the service and if there's new data it must be relayed through the OS vendor's push server which the…
Yes, I meant that exact kind of push notifications like APNS and GCM. If you have an official app for your own service, you simply implement them on your backend. If you're making a third-party app for something, then yes, it's inconvenient, especially if that something doesn't cooperate. Though some services that have open APIs offer you a form to specify your APNS/GCM credentials.
Re: Windows 10 nagging users with Bing advertisements (push alerts)
#13810 or 15 years ago, this behaviour would universally be called adware and shunned, yet now Microsoft does it too? In addition to the Windows 10 alert, Microsoft Edge has also gained a new full-screen prompt that advises users to restore the ‘recommended’ browser and set Bing as the default search engine. ...complete with Corporate Memphis[1]. That screenshot sums up just about everything I hate about "modern" softwar…
To Microsoft's defense everyone does it. Everytime there is an OS update on iOS, I know I will have to go through a dozen of modals that nag me for apple services.
Fully agree. And it still tells me that my iPhone setup is incomplete because I haven't set up Apple Pay yet.
Re: Windows 10 nagging users with Bing advertisements (push alerts)
#139Earlier quoted context omitted.
I don't get the hate towards Corporate Memphis. I'm not sure what would be better instead; a stock photo seems just as bad. To me the problem isn't in what the ad looks like, but that the ad is there. I also don't like that the ad is shown to a particular group of people, i.e. ones who aren't doing what lies in the company's best interests.
Greedy corporations trying their damnest to be cutesy and humanlike just make me cringe. That's all.
I think the point is that it's not the design of it you (or I) hate, it's the infantilization. And like GP said, before that it was stock photos of three wonderful, beautiful people in front of a computer pointing and smiling and being happy and all, surely because of the crapware being sold by whatever you're looking at. It's just as infantilizing. IMO corporate memphis is just a new style and tbh, I find it a bit more honest than stock photos at least.
Re: Windows 10 nagging users with Bing advertisements (push alerts)
#140Why use proprietary software?