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Europe’s cookie consent reckoning is coming

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Re: Europe’s cookie consent reckoning is coming

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My biggest problem with Europe's mandatory cookie warning is that the solution is worse than the problem. I'm aware that once I enter somebody's site there's a gazillion ways for that somebody to get data about me. If cookies are blocked they'll find another way. But thanks to Europe's feeling they need to nanny me, I get those obnoxious cookie warning popups on every site I visit. Worse, I can't opt out of the popup…

The solution as imagined wouldn't be worse than the problem. There should be a simple, easily accessible "reject all" (or the individual choices should default to reject). This is an issue with inforcement.

Re: Europe’s cookie consent reckoning is coming

#32
post #28

The article is trying to make the case that the problem is that the "Reject All" button is difficult to find on the cookie popup and it's the site's fault for that. No. Let's make one thing clear. The problem is with the popup itself, with the fact that it exists. And it exists because the bone-headed law that required it: the GDPR. The fact that the very first decision I have to make when visiting a website is about…

> The fact that the very first decision I have to make when visiting a website is about an issue I don't five a flying f&$# about is mind-boggling.

You seem to have a hard time understanding that laws may be designed to protect people who are not you.

Re: Europe’s cookie consent reckoning is coming

#33
post #15

I was and still am totally amazed that people still think it's a good idea to require each individual site owner to comply with that kind of policy instead of letting the browser vendors do the hard work. Which is easier - to modify and monitor billions of different sites, or to create a framework and obligations on the side of browsers to handle it? Something like requiring all browsers to start with cookies disable…

This could work for cookies but how would it work for other types of tracking. GDPR is not about cookies per se but about tracking.

Re: Europe’s cookie consent reckoning is coming

#34

The Gist: A non-profit developed a cralwer which can pick up misleading (or non-working) cookie-consent banners. > with a plan to file up to 10,000 complaints against offenders over the course of this year > Today it’s announcing the first batch of 560 complaints, large and small > noyb is even giving offenders a warning first — and a full month to clean up their ways In general I'm not a fan of vigilante law enforce…

They won't.

> Anders als bei "Abmahnungen" die gerade in Deutschland problematische Ausmaße angenommen haben, fallen für die betroffenen Unternehmen dabei keinerlei Kosten an, da das Projekt durch Spenden der rund 4.000 Fördermitglieder von noyb finanziert wird.

https://noyb.eu/de/noyb-setzt-dem-cookie-banner-wahnsinn-ein...

Re: Europe’s cookie consent reckoning is coming

#35
post #32
post #28

The article is trying to make the case that the problem is that the "Reject All" button is difficult to find on the cookie popup and it's the site's fault for that. No. Let's make one thing clear. The problem is with the popup itself, with the fact that it exists. And it exists because the bone-headed law that required it: the GDPR. The fact that the very first decision I have to make when visiting a website is about…

> The fact that the very first decision I have to make when visiting a website is about an issue I don't five a flying f&$# about is mind-boggling. You seem to have a hard time understanding that laws may be designed to protect people who are not you.

What percent of the population do you think has as the first priority when visiting a website the detail that they are tracked or not? What percent do you think even cares?

And what is the law protecting them against?! I still have to discover the horrifying malice tracking does to visitors. So far I know two downsides: resource usage and ads following you.

Now compare that with the gigantic waste of time when hunting and answering the stupid popup every time I visit a new site...

This is how it is when a bureaucrat decides to protect you from yourself: reminds me of the War on Drugs.

Re: Europe’s cookie consent reckoning is coming

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This has been my view from the beginning of GDPR. People were complaining that it wasn't having an immediate effect, but governments and law take time, which is generally a good thing in most cases because moving fast and breaking things when you're a government or a legal system can be catastrophic. But once the full weight of the law is put behind things like cookie consent (I often think of these things like the length of time it takes for a supertanker to change course) it will absolutely impose itself.

Also, for those here pointing out the Techcrunch cookie notice, for all the cognitive dissonance that entails (and at least they're reporting it!) I would argue that this is due to sites not wanting to be at a competitive disadvantage. If / when this is properly enforced and the initial squealing from companies is over, they'll generally be OK with it as long as everyone has to comply.

Re: Europe’s cookie consent reckoning is coming

#38
post #27

My biggest problem with Europe's mandatory cookie warning is that the solution is worse than the problem. I'm aware that once I enter somebody's site there's a gazillion ways for that somebody to get data about me. If cookies are blocked they'll find another way. But thanks to Europe's feeling they need to nanny me, I get those obnoxious cookie warning popups on every site I visit. Worse, I can't opt out of the popup…

You make it sound like the cookie consents are the only think the EU tackled, ignoring that it is only one small aspect of the EU's data privacy & protection legislation, which is having a big effect globally, not just in Europe. If you look at the GDPR penalties & fines so far you won't find any about cookie consent but you will find a lot of examples of bad governance, incompetence and bad data use, which people should be concerned about. Your "nothing" in this case if actually quite a lot of oversight which many people are happy about (even it it's a constant consideration for some of us working with data).

Your example of other ways to gain data about somebody is ALSO covered by GDPR. What's called the cookie consent is about customer data in general. All data provided directly or indirectly by a site visitor is subject to GDPR consideration, regardless of method.

As to not being asked if you personally want a law to exist or affect you: that's not how laws & governments work. If you're in the EU, then it's part of the governing institutions that we contribute to. If you're outside the EU, then it's the choice of the website you're visiting if they provide different experiences for you vs European visitors but again, you have an individual choice about if you visit those sites but your individual opinion doesn't get to decide how somebody else's web site operates and which legislation they adhere to.

It sounds like this is more an issue of personal inconvenience, which most of us share. The problem here is the implementation (e.g. it could have been more directed at browser vendors to implement global privacy controls) but while the current execution is bad the underlying reasoning for data protection is sound.

Re: Europe’s cookie consent reckoning is coming

#39
post #15

I was and still am totally amazed that people still think it's a good idea to require each individual site owner to comply with that kind of policy instead of letting the browser vendors do the hard work. Which is easier - to modify and monitor billions of different sites, or to create a framework and obligations on the side of browsers to handle it? Something like requiring all browsers to start with cookies disable…

Maybe we could send a header to websites letting them know that the user wants to opt out of all non-essential cookies. We could call it DoNotTrack, or something along those lines. I think HN would love the idea.

C'mon. This isn't contributing to the discussion.

Re: Europe’s cookie consent reckoning is coming

#40
post #15

I was and still am totally amazed that people still think it's a good idea to require each individual site owner to comply with that kind of policy instead of letting the browser vendors do the hard work. Which is easier - to modify and monitor billions of different sites, or to create a framework and obligations on the side of browsers to handle it? Something like requiring all browsers to start with cookies disable…

Maybe we could send a header to websites letting them know that the user wants to opt out of all non-essential cookies. We could call it DoNotTrack, or something along those lines. I think HN would love the idea.

Oh the sarcasm ;)
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