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Re: It's time for us in the tech world to speak out about cryptocurrency

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“But it’s like the early Internet!” shouted the Emperor’s coinholders. “The Internet wasn’t yet useful a mere, um, thirteen years after its invention either.” I can see how people in their twenties would fall for this argument because they can’t remember. The reality is that the internet was immediately extremely interesting (either useful or fun) for practically everyone who got access. Email and ftp alone were kill…

I mean it took a decade for that internet you are describing to form in the 90s from its inception in the 80s. Even then, only a small fraction of people were participating. BC has value because it a limited supply of a unique item that can be mathematically verified, even if it never solves all problems its advocates claim to want to solve in the world. It might not have value to you personally, but it currently doe…

Would the government mandate an inane proof of work scheme so that the energy usage goes up YoY every year?

Re: It's time for us in the tech world to speak out about cryptocurrency

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Crypto has been scams for years, all the way back to Mt. Gox. Social benefit comes from payment systems that provide safety and stability, not risk and volatility.

This is clearly a chicken and an egg problem. You can’t have stability until crypto is used in the mainstream and has a much greater mass overall, so that short-term speculations don’t result in massive volatility.

That's not true at all. Most currencies are controlled by central banks who actively maintain them to reduce volatility and risk. It's not because of mass or momentum or some other physics term.

Cryptocurrency by design doesn't have this and will always be open to speculators or other rational bad actors manipulating their asset markets.

Re: It's time for us in the tech world to speak out about cryptocurrency

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the problem is there’s always someone knew who hasn’t been fooled by it, and it can sound good at first. i remember i believed in it in 2013 before becoming disillusioned. but there’s people who first bought it in 2020 who tell me i don’t understand ot

Smart contracts seem legitimately useful. Am I missing something here?

They suppose both parties have equal power (money, ability to analyze the smart contract). I doubt most contract negotiations are like that. Signing a smart contract with Google, written by Google engineers, is like signing your own death warrant. You'd have to hire your own E&Y consultants to verify the contract doesn't screw you, and then we're back to the problems of regular contracts.

Perhaps useful in 1% of contracts, useless otherwise.

Re: It's time for us in the tech world to speak out about cryptocurrency

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post #21

“But it’s like the early Internet!” shouted the Emperor’s coinholders. “The Internet wasn’t yet useful a mere, um, thirteen years after its invention either.” I can see how people in their twenties would fall for this argument because they can’t remember. The reality is that the internet was immediately extremely interesting (either useful or fun) for practically everyone who got access. Email and ftp alone were kill…

If you date the Internet from development of ARPANET in 1969, it really wasn't useful for 13 years after its development. For one, the general public couldn't get on it. Two, the early Internet basically consisted of running a packet-switched network on top of the existing circuit-switched phone network, at drastically reduced efficiency. That was the only other network that existed, after all. Three, DNS didn't exist until 1983, 14 years after ARPANET and 10 years after TCP/IP. Four, the protocols you mention also didn't exist until the 1980s, ~15 years after the technology was developed.

I too got on the Internet in the early 1990s with e-mail, FTP, Usenet, and MUDs. I'm not actually an early Internet user. That'd be folks like my friend's dad, who worked at BBN in the 1970s, or the folks at Symbolics, who registered the first domain name in 1985.

Re: It's time for us in the tech world to speak out about cryptocurrency

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What problem does Bitcoin solve?

The threat of unwarranted civil asset forfeiture. The threat of arbitrary unbounded inflation. Perhaps you don't consider those risks to you to be very big, so you don't place much value on mitigating them. Other people do, however.

> The threat of unwarranted civil asset forfeiture.

That's exactly what I'm saying in my original comment, though. Do you think a government that wants to disown your assets cares if you have an entry in a database that proves that it's yours by law? THEY are the law, fuck your blockchain.

> The threat of arbitrary unbounded inflation.

Again. People who are affected by this usually don't have the means to just log into Coinbase and buy some crypto. Even if, it's not like it's a very stable place to put your money in to.

Re: It's time for us in the tech world to speak out about cryptocurrency

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These two resonated with me: > A lot of intelligent observers look at cryptocurrency, see that it makes no sense, and reasonably infer that they must be missing something profound on the technical level. Tech culture has a nice tradition of not deriding new ideas, but we need to break it here and speak out > [non-tech people] don't see the huge silent majority of tech people who know it's a scam. That's on us It is o…

"A lot of observers", "Many people say", "Everyone says". Let's stop using weasel words, if you consider yourself a techie, come up with some real evidence-based arguments.

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Re: It's time for us in the tech world to speak out about cryptocurrency

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"A lot of observers", "Many people say", "Everyone says". Let's stop using weasel words, if you consider yourself a techie, come up with some real evidence-based arguments.

What do you mean? Isn't the burden of proof on cryptonerds to back up their claims?

Saying something is a scam is a claim in itself.

Re: It's time for us in the tech world to speak out about cryptocurrency

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I seriously considered acceptiong bitcoin payments (it was a fad, why not) but did not want to connect something like Mt. Gox to my bank account. That was the stumbling block for me. It did not occur to me at the time that I should hoard these payments until they were worth millions in 2021; back then we were still thinking of cryptocurrency in terms of something you'd get paid in and convert to a bank balance.

If you were cashing out as the money was coming in, then you wouldn't have lost all of it in a "hack", would you? So, which is it? Would you have lost all of it in a hack or would you be withdrawing straight to a bank balance because you abhor "hoarding"? It can't be both.

It would have been up to the grand wizards at the Magic the Gathering Online Exchange. I don't remember what the process was back then for converting bitcoin into real money, and if they offered ACH transfers or what.

Re: It's time for us in the tech world to speak out about cryptocurrency

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Gold also has a fatal flaw, there's only so much of it, building a currency based on gold (ie the US dollar on the gold standard) limits the size of the economy, it can't grow if you can't pay for stuff - it's why we left the gold standard. Bitcoin by design only has a fixed number of coins available, eventually the miners will have mined them all. It has the same limitation that gold has and basing an economy on it…

That's nonsense. Bitcoin is not limited to whole coins. The total number of satoshis is crazy big, more than the dollars in the world. Bitcoin is limited by the block size and the lack of working L2 solutions (lightning is permanently broken). But other currencies, like BCH don't have that problem, and can easily represent the whole US economy.

https://www.buybitcoinworldwide.com/how-many-bitcoins-are-th...

90% of all bitcoin ever have already been mined. If your solution to the limited number of bitcoins is rampant deflation you probably don't have a viable currency

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