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In Mexico, cartels are hunting down police at their homes

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Re: In Mexico, cartels are hunting down police at their homes

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Post by 0xy »

tayo42 wrote: post #189
0xy wrote: post #188

Earlier quoted context omitted.

50% of black Americans agree that MORE police are needed on the street, according to a 2020 study. [1] To campaign for their reduction is to campaign against the interests of black people. In fact, it sounds incredibly racist to suggest black people can't decide this and their voice needs to be trampled upon. [1] https://www.vox.com/2020/6/17/21292046/black-people-abolish-...

can you show me where in my post I was talking about black americans or explain why its relevant to my post? Or even the parent post I responded to?

I'm just pointing out the racism of the suggestion. But if you don't support it then it's no problem.

Re: In Mexico, cartels are hunting down police at their homes

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Post by EdwardDiego »

narrator wrote: post #99

The problem with saying legalization will solve everything is the legal industries, such as avocados, are subject to extortion by the cartels. So if you legalized drugs you'd just have cartels extorting the legal drug makers and have the same amount of violence and gang activity. Some areas where the local militia has replaced the police now exist because the police are too demoralized, corrupt or scared to protect t…

> The problem with saying legalization will solve everything is the legal industries, such as avocados, are subject to extortion by the cartels.

Assuming your country's police force is sufficiently independent, then the extortion will fail when the perpetrators are arrested.

Technically yes, legalisation isn't the be all and end all, but then, what point is any law, if your justice system and law enforcement officers are thoroughly corrupt?

Re: In Mexico, cartels are hunting down police at their homes

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Post by roenxi »

qPM9l3XJrF wrote: post #31

I'm reminded of this recent viral Youtube which depicts what is apparently a routine occurrence in South Africa: A professional gang, armed with heavy caliber weapons, executes a sophisticated highway ambush in an attempt to capture a vehicle loaded with cell phones: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KAvqDF3Wujc I watched an interview with Leo Prinsloo, the star of the video. He mentioned that although this incident we…

> at a certain point, it becomes more important for the state security forces to win than for them to play fair.

If the state security forces aren't going to follow the rules; what does it matter whether they are stronger or not? The only difference between them and the crime gangs is the crime gangs can balance a budget. A strong state that sees itself as above the law is no less dangerous than out of control crime gangs.

Re: In Mexico, cartels are hunting down police at their homes

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Post by tayo42 »

0xy wrote: post #191
tayo42 wrote: post #189

Earlier quoted context omitted.

can you show me where in my post I was talking about black americans or explain why its relevant to my post? Or even the parent post I responded to?

I'm just pointing out the racism of the suggestion. But if you don't support it then it's no problem.

No one is talking about race? All races are affected by over policing.

Re: In Mexico, cartels are hunting down police at their homes

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Post by 0xy »

tayo42 wrote: post #194
0xy wrote: post #191

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm just pointing out the racism of the suggestion. But if you don't support it then it's no problem.

No one is talking about race? All races are affected by over policing.

Why do you think you can decide what black communities need more than the majority of black people? They want more police. You are advocating for them to get less, against their wishes, no?

Re: In Mexico, cartels are hunting down police at their homes

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Post by lmm »

lifeformed wrote: post #113
qPM9l3XJrF wrote: post #85

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I think it's a bit more complicated than that. First, just because the state loses its monopoly doesn't mean some other entity gains a monopoly. In Mexico, cartels aren't just fighting the state, they are also fighting each other. If the state collapsed, they will continue fighting each other, and the people of Mexico will effectively live in a semi-permanent warzone. Second, not all violent entities are created equa…

> Second, not all violent entities are created equal. Cartel members are motivated by greed and lust for power. Many are willing to employ tactics such as torture and terrorism to advance those goals First world governments are known to employ torture and terrorism to achieve their goals, but it's abstracted away as much as possible. While I think the same motivations of greed and power lust exist in governments too,…

> To me, the takeaway is that we can't really rely just on individuals to run moral power structures, but that we need to encode these values into the rules of structure itself - the democratic principles, laws, and enforcement - to get a decent approximation of a civil society.

Hmm, I took exactly the opposite message: democratic checks and balances don't work unless individual members of society really believe in them.

Re: In Mexico, cartels are hunting down police at their homes

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Post by Red_Tarsius »

vagrantJin wrote: post #183
qPM9l3XJrF wrote: post #31

I'm reminded of this recent viral Youtube which depicts what is apparently a routine occurrence in South Africa: A professional gang, armed with heavy caliber weapons, executes a sophisticated highway ambush in an attempt to capture a vehicle loaded with cell phones: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KAvqDF3Wujc I watched an interview with Leo Prinsloo, the star of the video. He mentioned that although this incident we…

The article is about Mexican cartels taking the fight to the police. As a South African, I worry that our crime levels probably get more attention than they deserve. The are certainly not much more than any other country. Even on platforms like HN, a few people watch a few videos and see a few social media posts. Conclude the country must be rife with violent crime and proceed to happily spread the word, even when no…

>The are certainly not much more than any other country.

I appreciate your naivete but we have to face the truth. The homicide[+] rate of South Africa (as of 2018) is 36.40. For comparison, Afghanistan is 6.6. The US sits at 4.96. Most of Europe is below 3. And that's just the kiling part. South Africa is notorious for its rampant sexual violence. [++]

[+] Within the broad range of violent deaths, the core element of intentional homicide is the complete liability of the direct perpetrator, which thus excludes killings directly related to war or conflicts, self-inflicted death (suicide), killings due to legal interventions or justifiable killings (such as self-defence), and those deaths caused when the perpetrator was reckless or negligent but did not intend to take a human life (non-intentional homicide). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intention... (2018)

[++] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_statistics#South%20Africa (2010)

Re: In Mexico, cartels are hunting down police at their homes

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Post by Bancakes »

rnd0 wrote: post #143
Bancakes wrote: post #102

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The mafia's idea of economy is based on sucking people dry via their vices and weaknesses. I don't want any sort of governance by pushers, pimps, and goons.

vices and weaknesses -such as fast food, lottery and tax-free religions? pushers -like the pharmaceutical industry? Pimps like the folks in Hollywood who make money off of titillation (and more -see Harvey Weinstein for one example) and goons such as the ones who raid travellers of cash in the name of "civil forfeiture"(eg https://www.huffpost.com/entry/civil-asset-forfeiture-cash-m... ? ) The difference is becoming…

The biggest fast food chains are a mafia in business terms and treat their employees and IP accordingly. Same with patented Monsanto GMO, for instance. Non-government lotteries are dubious at best and held by the mafia at worst (at least in eastern euro). Non-instituionalised religions prove time and time again to be cults.

The pharmaceutical industry is based on science, and subject to audits and regulation. In fact, one of the best ways to rehabilitate people is gradually decrease their intake with pure, medical-grade narcotics. That aside, the infamous ADHD/OCD pills are last-ditch effort - nobody talks about schizophrenia and mania pills that do a good job.

A small fraction of police still commit violent abuses because America is full of aggressive, suppressed, violent people. Again, police officers' actions are subject to audit and regulation, and action in a court of law. Let's not forget they have the right to apply necessary force to make you comply, a lot of people simply earn a beating. The rest of the cases are a minority nonetheless.

We must move on and escape the mob mentality. Root it out of our DNA. Amortise punishments over time and rationality.

Re: In Mexico, cartels are hunting down police at their homes

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Post by bostik »

CryptoPunk wrote: post #172
nsomaru wrote: post #126

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Could be posting from inside India?

Given HN uses HTTPS, there's no way they can determine how a particular user is interacting with HN just by monitoring the data being routed by India-based internet switches.

I would say that depends on how intensely you are being watched. Traffic analysis and timestamp correlation are a powerful tool.

Small traffic bursts going out, slightly larger ones coming in: surfing, reading the front page. (Or new post page.) Small traffic burst going out, lots of traffic coming in: loading an active topic thread page. Slightly bigger traffic burst going out, lots of traffic coming back in: posting a comment to an active, non-trivial thread.

Number of packets (and total outgoing bytes) are useful for bucketing the size of the comment posted. Short comments should fit into a single payload packet. Longer comments obviously have their payload split across multiple packets, and by counting the total bytes sent, you have a decent estimate to the size of the comment posted.

Combine comment timestamps with their lengths and you can infer quite a bit.

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