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Overkill objects for everyday life

neil.computer

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Re: Overkill objects for everyday life

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"Military grade" is not an especially meaningful term. I served in the military, and generally equipment is required to stand up to water and sand and stuff, but it isn't necessarily higher quality or more durable UNLESS that was part of the specification. Lots of the times the military grade equipment was in every way inferior to what you could buy off the shelf for 1/100th of the cost. In other cases a lack of manufacturing scale and building to the spec whether it made sense or not led to things that failed routinely due to poor design or lack of adapting designs based on learning after a first generation.

A good example of being locked into a bogus design is old Humvee turn signals. I have never once had a turn signal on a car fill up with water like a little fishtank, but when PMCSing Humvees I would run into this from time to time. IIRC you had to drill a hole in the bottom to let the water out.

Another case is SINCGARS radios. I don't know if they still use them, but god help them if they do. You had to load crypto on them using arcane magic that almost nobody knew how to do, including me, and I took the 2 week class. If you didn't have the crypto set up properly you couldn't talk to people except on the emergency channel in the clear. I can't count how many times we weren't able to talk to each other because the radios were all screwed up, there was a lot of resorting to cell phones when they were available. You would think something as fundamental as radios would be figured out and fool proof, but in my experience off the shelf walkee talkees would have been far more effective, although not as secure in theory. In practice the mujahideen aren't intercepting and exploiting US communications, but they certainly benefited from the radios being dicked up half the time.

Re: Overkill objects for everyday life

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I love to use professional-grade items where i can, but sometimes "overkill" means a worse product. like the professional-grade fan - it's not just designed for a high duty cycle, it's also probably designed to be operated in an environment where people regularly use hearing protection, so quiet operation is not a consideration.

Interestingly the Dyson fan is significantly louder than a cheap WalMart fan. https://youtu.be/dS0oFmzU06g

There's a few problems with that review. It's confusing air speed at a point with volume of air displaced, and assuming that volume at all frequencies is perceptually the same, which it isn't. Psychoacoustically, something with a sound profile at ~80Hz sounds quieter than the same dB noise at 250Hz, which is quieter than at 1000 Hz.

The Dyson fans tend to have a particularly quiet sounding noise profile compared to their volume of air displaced at low to mid power in particular, and also are far quieter and low powers than traditional fans.

They're not worth the money they cost, but there's a lot more nuance than this presents.

Re: Overkill objects for everyday life

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The recommendation for a commercial panel which avoids built smart TV functions is one I'm taking seriously. We have an Apple TV connected and use nothing else. Does anyone have experience or recommendations? Here is a link to NEC's commercial displays https://www.sharpnecdisplays.us/products/displays#2

I have an LG 'smart' TV but I just don't use any of the smart functionality. I don't have any problem with it, it just defaults to the HDMI my GoogleTV is on. Sometimes the dog will bump the TV controller (which sits untouched on the coffee table) and it will pop up a menu for a second, but it goes away by itself. I haven't interacted with the TV itself other than to change the picture mode to nighttime in about a year.

So why go to the trouble of not having the smart menu stuff rather than just not using it?

Re: Overkill objects for everyday life

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Agreed, there is a bit of selectivity and careful consideration. These are misuses and illfits. Wearing military boots to a wedding is an impedence mismatch so to speak, not really a fault of military boots. You gotta compare apples to apples.

Under what conditions are military boots ever actually better than the best non-military alternatives?

Air drops into enemy territory.

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I will postulate an opposing view to TFA: Quality consumer goods are better in two key areas. First, they are replaceable. I don’t want a military grade mixer in my kitchen if getting a broken whisk or motor on it is going to require me hunting all over eBay for the specific part hoping it’s available. I was very excited at one point about the idea of getting a commercial dishwasher that can run a load of dishes in l…

I kinda disagree. These aren’t very good examples. Also the dough mixer is for restaurants, not military use. :-) Although I want one now. Here is a kitchen scale I bought. Made in Switzerland, no less. It’s bloody beautiful: https://neil.computer/notes/mettler-toledo-ml3002e-teardown/ Does that mean all consumer grade stuff is bad? No. Leatherman tools and 3M consumer grade stuff is usually great. Nalgene bottles. D…

Average consumers want stuff that is objectively worse for them. Touchscreens were an excellent idea for a phone, now they want it everywhere in their cars.

The commercial version of the electric Ford F-150 has a reasonably sized touchscreen in the center of the dashboard. The consumer version has a huge 18 inch touchscreen which sticks up above the top of the dashboard, and looks silly. This replaces the large number of single-purpose knobs and buttons in the commercial version.

Re: Overkill objects for everyday life

#616

I will postulate an opposing view to TFA: Quality consumer goods are better in two key areas. First, they are replaceable. I don’t want a military grade mixer in my kitchen if getting a broken whisk or motor on it is going to require me hunting all over eBay for the specific part hoping it’s available. I was very excited at one point about the idea of getting a commercial dishwasher that can run a load of dishes in l…

One specific area where that USMC blade falls down for me is travel.

This won’t bother anyone in the US I guess but a fixed blade military knife like that could get you into legal hot water fast elsewhere.

In the UK, you could take it camping or fishing but if you divert to the shops on your way and get caught with it you you could get a mandatory prison sentence.

Even if you leave it in your car the whole time.

Where as a simple Victorinox Swiss Army Knife with a friction folding blade can be taken almost anywhere without a reason. That makes them a much better bet for an international backpacker IMHO.

This is the same for many other countries too.

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TIL dishwashers have a compartment you're supposed to add salt to? Is this the rinse-aid thing?

Not all dishwashers have it. I found that most dishwashers in the US don't have it, so you have to work to find one that does. If they do, it's usually a compartment at the bottom of the thing with a sealed screw-cap. Oh, and don't bother buying "dishwasher salt", just buy medium-grain table salt, it's 10x cheaper.

>Oh, and don't bother buying "dishwasher salt", just buy medium-grain table salt, it's 10x cheaper.

Is it the same thing?

Re: Overkill objects for everyday life

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Thanks TIL, I had no idea. I'll stop giving medical advice I guess.

Ha, no worries! I'd thought the same until I went off and got a degree in Chemistry.

Fwiw, I have a degree in chemistry and it never occurred to me that generics would potentially have a different chiral mixture to the original.

Given that we know (like you point out) that different enantiomers can have very different effects, it seems particularly dangerous for generics to be marketed as alternatives to the branded drug when, in some cases, they really are not.

Re: Overkill objects for everyday life

#620

I will postulate an opposing view to TFA: Quality consumer goods are better in two key areas. First, they are replaceable. I don’t want a military grade mixer in my kitchen if getting a broken whisk or motor on it is going to require me hunting all over eBay for the specific part hoping it’s available. I was very excited at one point about the idea of getting a commercial dishwasher that can run a load of dishes in l…

For anyone curious about the Hobart mixer pictured in the article, that exact unit is for sale here:

https://www.bakedeco.com/detail.asp?id=51771

They don't list the weight or dimensions, but Hobart makes a modern version:

https://www.hobartcorp.com/centerline-20-quart-mixer

This 20 quart mixer is 33.3" high and weighs 189 pounds (204 pounds in its shipping crate).

A great unit for a commercial kitchen, maybe not such a good fit for typical home use!

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