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NSA spying row: Denmark helped US gather data on European officials, says report
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#72Re: NSA spying row: Denmark helped US gather data on European officials, says report
#73This all boils down to the question of how to reign in the administrative state, and the problem here is that no one really wants to reign it in, they want to control it and point it in the direction they prefer, that is, they want an extra-judicial, extra-legislative source of power to exist, but just not do any of the things they don't like. But I don't think this is possible, once you have an administrative state,…
Do you think it would be fair to say that countries that operate in this way are no longer democracies? I have my own thoughts on the matter but I'm curious based on this assessment of yours what other people think about the implications of the situation.
The nation state hasn't ceased to be democratic, but its internal autocratic state is running amuck overseas.
Re: NSA spying row: Denmark helped US gather data on European officials, says report
#74Why Europe does not develop a new system to encode/encrypt communications?, that would make tapping the line useless.
Longer term, TLS, OpenVPN, and WireGuard all need to standardize post-quantum key exchange (such as Chrome's TLS experiment to run Curve25519 and RLWE key agreement protocols in parallel and run both outputs through the final key derivation function). But, for today, the main problem is deployment.
Re: NSA spying row: Denmark helped US gather data on European officials, says report
#75Earlier quoted context omitted.
Do you think it would be fair to say that countries that operate in this way are no longer democracies? I have my own thoughts on the matter but I'm curious based on this assessment of yours what other people think about the implications of the situation.
I think it would be fair to say that any Democracy past a certain size (and that size is probably not going to be much bigger than a medium sized city) is going to have parts of it that will not be exposed to public scrutiny and operate independently of the public will. I'm pretty sure the majority of Danes would be against helping the U.S spy on other EU nations. But it was done because the country was not asked. Th…
Re: NSA spying row: Denmark helped US gather data on European officials, says report
#76I still wonder, what happens if other countries like China, Russia spy on other governments and are disclosed? They will be embargoed by US. But why there is nothing happens when US spying other countries? Because US does it with good manner and good intention?
Re: NSA spying row: Denmark helped US gather data on European officials, says report
#77Listen Europe, this is good spying though. Not Huawei 5G spying. Just like American torture is good torture, because we only torture the bad guys.
I'm so glad your government is helping to keep us safe! To express my gratitude I'll help boost your economy with some ad revenue today and aid the good fight. The profits should trickle down to you eventually. On a more serious note, I think (possibly in my naive ignorance) the geopolitical implications are quite different. I have the impression that American cultural influence has become increasingly prevalent thro…
Okay, I'll help you: By doing this shit, the US is losing goodwill and Germans will align more with Russia, e.g. by building pipelines instead of buying US gas.
Russia is a long-term threat to the expansion plans of the EU and is hindering us at creating a true union across all of Europe.
The US is a threat to our economy. China is becoming our biggest economic partner. We cannot trust them, but by doing shit like this, the US shows time and time again, that we cannot trust them either.
China and Russia are ultimately not to blame for the big migration crisis caused by ISIS filling the power vacuum left behind in Iraq and Syria. This is causing real consequences for us over here.
So Germany is more and more pushed towards aligning with Russia and China. Of course culturally we are much closer to the US. We condemn what these countries do to their own people. But in the end unfortunately, the US is stupid enough to make itself look worse and worse, when it comes to outcomes for our own people.
This cannot be what the US wants. Once you have fully lost Germany, you are basically done in Europe and can go look East and see if you can hold on to Korea, Japan and Australia.
I think, it would be much easier for the US to stop doing shit like this and keep the countries, which already kind of think like you, and would want you to stay number 1.
Re: NSA spying row: Denmark helped US gather data on European officials, says report
#78Earlier quoted context omitted.
Do you think it would be fair to say that countries that operate in this way are no longer democracies? I have my own thoughts on the matter but I'm curious based on this assessment of yours what other people think about the implications of the situation.
> Do you think it would be fair to say that countries that operate in this way are no longer democracies? Such an agency operating outside of the visibility of those voting is by definition not democratic. But that doesn't mean the rest of the democracy isn't there.
Also, it is easier to check for Russian spies in a government from outside, than from inside. For example, soviet agent in Germany government, called "D-104" in memories of Yurii Drozdov, is still not found. I suspect Schröder, which works for Russian Gasprom now, but he may leave a replacement agent, to work after him. (Merkel?)
Re: NSA spying row: Denmark helped US gather data on European officials, says report
#79This all boils down to the question of how to reign in the administrative state, and the problem here is that no one really wants to reign it in, they want to control it and point it in the direction they prefer, that is, they want an extra-judicial, extra-legislative source of power to exist, but just not do any of the things they don't like. But I don't think this is possible, once you have an administrative state,…
Re: NSA spying row: Denmark helped US gather data on European officials, says report
#80and in 2015 it was reported Germany was helping the NSA spy on European politicians. NSA doing what the NSA does really. https://www.theverge.com/2015/4/24/8489477/bnd-nsa-informati...
And not just the NSA. Despite their feigned outrage every time stuff like this hits the news, both Germany and France actively spy on US government and industry all the time. Every nation spies on every other nation, friend or foe, to look out for their own national interests. https://www.france24.com/en/20131024-nsa-france-spying-squar... > Bernard Squarcini, head of the Direction Centrale du Renseignement Intérieur…
But the gist of the article is "yeah, of course they're going to do it, if we give them the opportunity".
We european countries really shouldn't be giving the US so much opportunity to spy on us.