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NSA spying row: Denmark helped US gather data on European officials, says report

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Re: NSA spying row: Denmark helped US gather data on European officials, says report

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Post by Permit »

quyleanh wrote: post #8

I still wonder, what happens if other countries like China, Russia spy on other governments and are disclosed? They will be embargoed by US. But why there is nothing happens when US spying other countries? Because US does it with good manner and good intention?

> I still wonder, what happens if other countries like China, Russia spy on other governments and are disclosed? They will be embargoed by US.

Does this happen? Has China faced sanctions after spying on US citizens or stealing trade secrets? Has Russia?

Re: NSA spying row: Denmark helped US gather data on European officials, says report

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Post by woofcat »

quyleanh wrote: post #8

I still wonder, what happens if other countries like China, Russia spy on other governments and are disclosed? They will be embargoed by US. But why there is nothing happens when US spying other countries? Because US does it with good manner and good intention?

Spying happens all the time without embargo's happening.

Re: NSA spying row: Denmark helped US gather data on European officials, says report

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Post by rsj_hn »

quyleanh wrote: post #8

I still wonder, what happens if other countries like China, Russia spy on other governments and are disclosed? They will be embargoed by US. But why there is nothing happens when US spying other countries? Because US does it with good manner and good intention?

Wait, we have an embargo against China?

Re: NSA spying row: Denmark helped US gather data on European officials, says report

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Post by f38zf5vdt »

quyleanh wrote: post #8

I still wonder, what happens if other countries like China, Russia spy on other governments and are disclosed? They will be embargoed by US. But why there is nothing happens when US spying other countries? Because US does it with good manner and good intention?

Remember the golden rule: He who has the gold makes the rules.

Re: NSA spying row: Denmark helped US gather data on European officials, says report

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Post by BombNullIsland »

peteretep wrote: post #7

The Five Eyes have built a sufficiently valuable asset that the security services of other rich countries all want in. Denmark is in Nine Eyes, so they’ll happily sell out members of Fourteen Eyes (like Germany) to get closer into the circle.

You just assume that every electronic communication is dragneted now. Your phone, your car radio's bluetooth radio, toll transponder, alpr, everything.

What I like about the signals-intelligence-only focus is that I can leave my phone at home, hop on an ebike with a legally mandated helmet obscuring my face from cameras, and I'm completely invisible to the state. I just don't exist. Unlike East Germany there's no HUMINT apparatus in the west or in China.

Re: NSA spying row: Denmark helped US gather data on European officials, says report

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Post by f38zf5vdt »

Permit wrote: post #11
quyleanh wrote: post #8

I still wonder, what happens if other countries like China, Russia spy on other governments and are disclosed? They will be embargoed by US. But why there is nothing happens when US spying other countries? Because US does it with good manner and good intention?

> I still wonder, what happens if other countries like China, Russia spy on other governments and are disclosed? They will be embargoed by US. Does this happen? Has China faced sanctions after spying on US citizens or stealing trade secrets? Has Russia?

Yeah. For a while now. [1][2]

[1] https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/admin...

[2] https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/biden-to-an...

Re: NSA spying row: Denmark helped US gather data on European officials, says report

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Post by quyleanh »

Permit wrote: post #11
quyleanh wrote: post #8

I still wonder, what happens if other countries like China, Russia spy on other governments and are disclosed? They will be embargoed by US. But why there is nothing happens when US spying other countries? Because US does it with good manner and good intention?

> I still wonder, what happens if other countries like China, Russia spy on other governments and are disclosed? They will be embargoed by US. Does this happen? Has China faced sanctions after spying on US citizens or stealing trade secrets? Has Russia?

> Does this happen? Has China faced sanctions after spying on US citizens or stealing trade secrets? Has Russia?

Yes, it does happen. I've read many news about US claims that Chinese government-backed hacker groups or corporations spying and stealing. And they are embargoed.

You can refer to Huawei case.

Re: NSA spying row: Denmark helped US gather data on European officials, says report

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Post by quyleanh »

rsj_hn wrote: post #13
quyleanh wrote: post #8

I still wonder, what happens if other countries like China, Russia spy on other governments and are disclosed? They will be embargoed by US. But why there is nothing happens when US spying other countries? Because US does it with good manner and good intention?

Wait, we have an embargo against China?

You really don't know?
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