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Re: Windows 10 nagging users with Bing advertisements (push alerts)

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Post by swiley »

Yaina wrote: post #7

The ways Microsoft wants to trick users into using edge, using all sorts of dark-patterns, has rapidly increased with the launch of chromium edge. Opening Edge on startup, asking in Windows update-screens, putting Edge on the desktop and taskbar, asking to change to Edge when clicking on links, dissuading users when searching for browsers on bing, advertising Edge in the start-menu, it goes on... Chromium Edge is bri…

They got slammed for anti-trust with IE and then noticed Apple got away with even worse on iOS. Now they've doubled down.

Re: Windows 10 nagging users with Bing advertisements (push alerts)

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Post by swiley »

reincarnate0x14 wrote: post #29
dataflow wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> do yourself a favor and use LSTC Would be nice if you could mention how your typical reader could feasibly (and legally) do this.

Microsoft licensing is such a byzantine hellscape that this assuredly is more complicated than can be easily summarized, but pretty much any of their resellers do have VL upgrade options. I don't normally like linking to vendors as it's not my job to drive them sales, but one of the top links off DDG: https://softwaremedia.com/shop/microsoft-windows-10-enterpri... Many people will find themselves happily hoisting a j…

I don't doubt it's bad but it could be worse, you could be trying to use Oracle software.

Re: Windows 10 nagging users with Bing advertisements (push alerts)

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Post by colejohnson66 »

ravenstine wrote: post #26
abestic9 wrote: post #3

I'm not surprised by this anymore. They've gone from full anti-trust lawsuit for Internet Explorer, to just riding the cliff edge of what they believe they can get away with. See: Skype, Teams installer, Office. This will continue as long as it's in their interest to be in control of as much of the software stack as possible. Another side of their underhanded marketing is where decision makers looking at collaboratio…

The anti-trust thing was kind of ridiculous, though. Would you have preferred to have to get a floppy disk in order to install a web browser? How about Acer replacing IE with its own piece of shit browser in OEM builds? (hypothetical) Looking back, I don't think that was a good use of the Sherman antitrust act.

It wasn’t even really IE. Everyone forgets the bigger issue at play in that case: forcing OEMs to pay for a Windows license even on non-Windows devices. That’s something that anti trust laws are for. The IE thing was just another thing they could tack on as an “abuse”.

Re: Windows 10 nagging users with Bing advertisements (push alerts)

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Post by swiley »

speeder wrote: post #5

Then when I point out this sort of shit to explain why I insist in keeping Win7, people say I am nuts and that Win10 is fine.

Wine can probably run most windows 7 software, you're probably better off with Linux (use pop-os if you want something easy with good IME/desktop features. My Thai girlfriend jumped pretty much strait to that from windows after she got tired of all the MS/vendor crap eating up all the I/O.)

Re: Windows 10 nagging users with Bing advertisements (push alerts)

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Post by stordoff »

blibble wrote: post #13

LTSC is the answer (despite what MS "advocates" will tell you) no autoreboot, no MS store, no onedrive, no ads I've had a legitimate copy on my gaming pc for 18 months now without issue aliexpress has an excellent range of grey market keys...

On Pro, I have no auto-reboot, OneDrive is disabled, no ads, and the Store is useful at times and can easily be ignored when I'm not using it. I'm not sure how LTSC would be an improvement.

Re: Windows 10 nagging users with Bing advertisements (push alerts)

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Post by reincarnate0x14 »

swiley wrote: post #32
reincarnate0x14 wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Microsoft licensing is such a byzantine hellscape that this assuredly is more complicated than can be easily summarized, but pretty much any of their resellers do have VL upgrade options. I don't normally like linking to vendors as it's not my job to drive them sales, but one of the top links off DDG: https://softwaremedia.com/shop/microsoft-windows-10-enterpri... Many people will find themselves happily hoisting a j…

I don't doubt it's bad but it could be worse, you could be trying to use Oracle software.

"not as awful as Oracle" is hardly an endorsement :)

Re: Windows 10 nagging users with Bing advertisements (push alerts)

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Post by PostThisTooFast »

rocky1138 wrote: post #12
Macha wrote: post #8

I'm sick of tech companies giving the only way to decline their preferred approach as "maybe later". No, I'm sure I don't want Bing or Edge next month either. If I change my mind I'm perfectly capable of finding the setting and even if I wasn't I'm sure it's only a DDG (or Bing I guess) search away to docs I'm almost certain you will have

The most egrigious offender was the Google+ and YouTube integration. https://johnrockefeller.net/google/

And how Google degraded their search functionality by removing the + operator (which required that the following word be present in every result) because it allegedly interfered with idiotic "Google Plus." And did they restore it after shitcanning Google Plus? No.

Re: Windows 10 nagging users with Bing advertisements (push alerts)

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Post by PostThisTooFast »

reincarnate0x14 wrote: post #15

If you are forced to put up with Windows, do yourself a favor and use LSTC. Almost all of this garbage behavior seems to be restricted to the retail channel builds and major update packs. Sadly there is apparently no limit to what people will be conditioned to put up with.

Maybe we would if you'd said what "LSTC" is.

Re: Windows 10 nagging users with Bing advertisements (push alerts)

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Post by jrsj »

Yaina wrote: post #7

The ways Microsoft wants to trick users into using edge, using all sorts of dark-patterns, has rapidly increased with the launch of chromium edge. Opening Edge on startup, asking in Windows update-screens, putting Edge on the desktop and taskbar, asking to change to Edge when clicking on links, dissuading users when searching for browsers on bing, advertising Edge in the start-menu, it goes on... Chromium Edge is bri…

What choice do they have when Google pushes Chrome aggressively on every website they own if you visit it on any other browser?

Re: Windows 10 nagging users with Bing advertisements (push alerts)

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Post by jrsj »

swiley wrote: post #31
Yaina wrote: post #7

The ways Microsoft wants to trick users into using edge, using all sorts of dark-patterns, has rapidly increased with the launch of chromium edge. Opening Edge on startup, asking in Windows update-screens, putting Edge on the desktop and taskbar, asking to change to Edge when clicking on links, dissuading users when searching for browsers on bing, advertising Edge in the start-menu, it goes on... Chromium Edge is bri…

They got slammed for anti-trust with IE and then noticed Apple got away with even worse on iOS. Now they've doubled down.

Google really started this though. And they didn’t use anti competitive advertising practices to kill IE, they used them to kill Firefox.
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