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Re: US claims all .com and .net websites are in its jurisdiction

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Post by danssig »

diogenescynic wrote: post #100
wnight wrote: post #94

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> EDIT: Downvotes are not how you disagree on HN. Well thought out replies are. Well thought out posts get well thought out replies. For one, we're talking about foreigners here and you're saying they aren't deprived of due process - they merely need to come to American courts to get the laws changed. Hello!? Second, you're missing the whole "your TLD is one of ours so you're in our jurisdiction no matter where you a…

Pot calling the kettle black, much? Please stop the anti-American trolling. I've noticed you consistently go from thread to thread spreading anti-American propaganda without citing any facts and insulting others: Africa like how you stood by and watched Rwanda butcher itself, quibbling over using the word 'genocide' to avoid hurting your allies, and own, historical images. Or how WW2 the USA waited out much of the wa…

Is this post for real? I think this account should be banned, it has to be a troll.

Re: US claims all .com and .net websites are in its jurisdiction

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Post by rdtsc »

rgraham wrote: post #113
dsl wrote: post #68

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Assets used in the commission of a crime can be seized regardless of if you are charged or even found guilty of that crime. Cars, boats, and houses are regularly seized from suspected drug dealers. None of these people have been deprived of due process. The due process is to go to the courts to challenge it. If you don't like either of these points, you'll need to go to the courts and have the laws changed or thrown…

This is a circular argument. "Assets used in the commission of a crime can be seized regardless of if you are charged or even found guilty of that crime." If you don't have to prove there was a crime then how can you claim that the assets were used in the crime? This would mean the government/police could seize assets with nothing more than finger pointing. I'm ignorant of the law here, but I thought you were innocen…

Welcome to American-style legal logic.

Re: US claims all .com and .net websites are in its jurisdiction

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Post by chalst »

by wrote: post #148
dsl wrote: post #53

FYI, .com/net/org have always belonged to the United States. In the same way that .ca belongs to Canada, com/net/org/us belong to the US. Think of them as the sponsoring organization that originally created them. The only thing the US government has ever given up is control over the registry and DNS management. Under a MoU[1] that facility was handed over to ICANN with the understanding that they would select US base…

The .COM domain has always been international in nature, not a country domain restricted to the US. See the extract of RFC 1591 below. Or have I missed something? It is fairly clear that .US is for US companies, .COM is international commercial, and the .GOV and .MIL domains are restricted to the US. RFC 1591 (March 1994) http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc1591.txt "Each of the generic TLDs was created for a general category…

.edu domains are only granted to organisations accredited as providing higher education by the U.S. Department of Education.

Wikipedia claims that it started out as a general TLD, as did .gov and .mil, and only became attached to the Dep. Education in 2001, which I am sure is wrong - I'm sure they adminstered it earlier.

Re: US claims all .com and .net websites are in its jurisdiction

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Post by [deleted] »

danssig wrote: post #151
diogenescynic wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Pot calling the kettle black, much? Please stop the anti-American trolling. I've noticed you consistently go from thread to thread spreading anti-American propaganda without citing any facts and insulting others: Africa like how you stood by and watched Rwanda butcher itself, quibbling over using the word 'genocide' to avoid hurting your allies, and own, historical images. Or how WW2 the USA waited out much of the wa…

Is this post for real? I think this account should be banned, it has to be a troll.

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Re: US claims all .com and .net websites are in its jurisdiction

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Post by anamax »

westicle wrote: post #138
anamax wrote: post #101

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> What would it take to declare the domain of the internet as its own sovereign entity? An army.

Does that make 4chan a sovereign entity?

A bunch of folks at keyboards are not an army.

http://xkcd.com/538/ contains some relevant wisdom.

Re: US claims all .com and .net websites are in its jurisdiction

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Post by ynniv »

Locke1689 wrote: post #136
ynniv wrote: post #130

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This is the flaw that most people who argue for wireless mesh networks have. I'm curious what you mean here. I am reasonably sure that mesh networks are actually distributed, at least internally. Are you referring about the Internet gateways that are generally a part of a mesh proposal, or possibly that mesh networks don't scale like centralized networks do? A distributed or unregulated Internet is a pipe dream. I th…

I'm curious what you mean here. I am reasonably sure that mesh networks are actually distributed, at least internally. Are you referring about the Internet gateways that are generally a part of a mesh proposal, or possibly that mesh networks don't scale like centralized networks do? I'm saying that mesh networks are 1) not connectable on the scale of the Internet and 2) not scalable. I think that we could create a tr…

Crudely, I think it's time to put code where your mouth is

Ah, you have me there. Actually, I am interested in this space and would appreciate a good academic overview. Maybe some links to these papers you mention?

Re: US claims all .com and .net websites are in its jurisdiction

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Post by roundsquare »

clistctrl wrote: post #61

I ask this completely seriously. What would it take to declare the domain of the internet as its own sovereign entity? The internet to me has become greater than just a communications network. It is a place where people connect/work/play. DNS is a natural resource, and should be regulated by all that is affected by it.

AFAIK, under international law for statehood it would require a permanent population, a defined territory, government and capacity to enter into relations with the other states.[1]

There is some precedent for non-states getting "international personhood" but so far its only happened to the UN and even that is only minimal personhood. [2] I don't think the logic would carry over.

Treating it as a natural resource would probably put it under the jurisdiction of states where it resides. At that point, maybe states can do what Equador did with nature and treat it as having fundamental rights in their constitution.

[1]http://www.taiwandocuments.org/montevideo01.htm [2]http://www.icj-cij.org/docket/files/4/1835.pdf (very long and I don't think mostly relevant).

Re: US claims all .com and .net websites are in its jurisdiction

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Post by Locke1689 »

ynniv wrote: post #156
Locke1689 wrote: post #136

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm curious what you mean here. I am reasonably sure that mesh networks are actually distributed, at least internally. Are you referring about the Internet gateways that are generally a part of a mesh proposal, or possibly that mesh networks don't scale like centralized networks do? I'm saying that mesh networks are 1) not connectable on the scale of the Internet and 2) not scalable. I think that we could create a tr…

Crudely, I think it's time to put code where your mouth is Ah, you have me there. Actually, I am interested in this space and would appreciate a good academic overview. Maybe some links to these papers you mention?

Here's some stuff to get you started:

http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/xpls/abs_all.jsp?arnumber=1498497...

http://www.springerlink.com/content/l4317522286237m4/

http://www.ece.gatech.edu/research/labs/bwn/surveys/mesh.pdf

http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/summary?doi=10.1.1.132....

Re: US claims all .com and .net websites are in its jurisdiction

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Post by ynniv »

Locke1689 wrote: post #158
ynniv wrote: post #156

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Crudely, I think it's time to put code where your mouth is Ah, you have me there. Actually, I am interested in this space and would appreciate a good academic overview. Maybe some links to these papers you mention?

Here's some stuff to get you started: http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/xpls/abs_all.jsp?arnumber=1498497... http://www.springerlink.com/content/l4317522286237m4/ http://www.ece.gatech.edu/research/labs/bwn/surveys/mesh.pdf http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/summary?doi=10.1.1.132....

Most appreciated.
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