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Re: It's time for us in the tech world to speak out about cryptocurrency

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“But it’s like the early Internet!” shouted the Emperor’s coinholders. “The Internet wasn’t yet useful a mere, um, thirteen years after its invention either.”

I can see how people in their twenties would fall for this argument because they can’t remember. The reality is that the internet was immediately extremely interesting (either useful or fun) for practically everyone who got access. Email and ftp alone were killer apps. A bit later came Usenet and IRC and MUD gaming. There were things to download, people to meet, flame wars to participate in. People would stay up until 4am to get a chance to go online in university shared facilities.

With cryptocurrency there’s nothing to do. You could pay $100 to buy a “cryptokitten” or whatever, but then you’d be stuck shilling it on somebody else somehow. The community is a mix of Scientology-like groupthink and multi-level marketing sales pitches. The early Internet was infinite times more fun.

Re: It's time for us in the tech world to speak out about cryptocurrency

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post #11

Written from the perspective of someone in a first world country. Edit: https://www.statista.com/chart/18345/crypto-currency-adoptio...

What’s the advantage of cryptocurrency over mpesa?

I can use cryptocurrencies from anywhere in the world, I can't use M-Pesa unless I'm in one of the few countries it operates, and even then I'd be at Vodafone's whims. Truly it may serve similar needs (money for the under/unbanked) but the scope is not nearly the same.

Re: It's time for us in the tech world to speak out about cryptocurrency

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post #21

“But it’s like the early Internet!” shouted the Emperor’s coinholders. “The Internet wasn’t yet useful a mere, um, thirteen years after its invention either.” I can see how people in their twenties would fall for this argument because they can’t remember. The reality is that the internet was immediately extremely interesting (either useful or fun) for practically everyone who got access. Email and ftp alone were kill…

An interesting line of argument, and one which affords a number of potential avenues for enlargement:

- The Internet emerged from a community in which it afforded real and tangible benefits, without any one single locus of control. (Research universities, along with a number of government departments and a few major tech and defence contractors, principally.) Perhaps an alternate payment mechanism might emerge similarly.

- The Internet tools which did emerge ... were well-suited to a small-world network in which local reputations could be assessed and acted on (loss of campus-based access with administrators overseeing populations of a few dozens to hundreds, rarely more than 1,000, through the early 1990s). Effectiveness at larger scales and in more hostile environments has proved ... problematic.

- A clear statement of the problem(s) posed by present currency and payment systems is still lacking. Statements as do exist tend to be ... weakly grounded in emperical truth, strongly ideological (not necessarily a fault, but often one), and strongly resistant to actual demonstrated superiority after decades of effort.

Re: It's time for us in the tech world to speak out about cryptocurrency

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I am not sure why this is flagged - it seems a reasonable and timely opinion piece.

Cryptocurrency is a subject that has to have a deep and public debate. What the OP is saying (which I take to be "the tech world has a duty to point out the flaws in cryptocurrency to avoid giving an impression of a clean bill of health to every ICO out there") - that is a valid socially useful debate.

There are valid real world uses of bitcoin (see Turkey shutting down payment apps recently). but yeah it is also a volatile wild west that is miles away from anyone's expectation of normal regulated currency behaviour.

Yes there is a crying need for an "internet native" currency. What will that be - I don't know. But it is not here yet, and it is reasonable to make that clear and loud.

Re: It's time for us in the tech world to speak out about cryptocurrency

#25

I don’t understand the constant criticism crypto gets. It isn’t the sort of thing that can be stopped at this point. If you don’t like it, support better alternatives or create your own. That’s really the only solution here. I don’t say this to be sarcastic. The train has already left the station.

Just because something is growing doesn't mean it's above criticism, or regulation.

Re: It's time for us in the tech world to speak out about cryptocurrency

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> What we especially need to stress to regulators...

Lol. Talking like that obviously shows that cryptocurrencies are not for you. This tech has cypherpunk and crypto-anarchy roots, regulators/governments are not the intended users for this tech, even if you like it or not. If you do not view cryptocurrencies from an cypherpunk perspective you will not see their social benefits, it is an entire way of life an alternative view from the centralized shit show we have now. Yes the tech has flaws, just like how digicash, hashcash, b-money etc had flaws, this is an evolutionary process and nothing you or your government says can stop it.

Re: It's time for us in the tech world to speak out about cryptocurrency

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It’s “not decentralized” and also it’s used to move “billions in crime money around.” Hmm. It’s a fraudulent “con” and also very dangerous because it subverts regulations. Hmm. Seems pretty contradictory, no? You can either criticize bitcoin for not working or for working too well but Maciej seems to be trying to do both at once. I’m not a Bitcoin user or particularly a fan but these self contradicting attack lines d…

What makes you think that criminals are not capable of centralization?

Re: It's time for us in the tech world to speak out about cryptocurrency

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post #27

> What we especially need to stress to regulators... Lol. Talking like that obviously shows that cryptocurrencies are not for you. This tech has cypherpunk and crypto-anarchy roots, regulators/governments are not the intended users for this tech, even if you like it or not. If you do not view cryptocurrencies from an cypherpunk perspective you will not see their social benefits, it is an entire way of life an alterna…

> nothing you or your government says can stop it

Oh yeah? Let's find out.

Re: It's time for us in the tech world to speak out about cryptocurrency

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post #21

“But it’s like the early Internet!” shouted the Emperor’s coinholders. “The Internet wasn’t yet useful a mere, um, thirteen years after its invention either.” I can see how people in their twenties would fall for this argument because they can’t remember. The reality is that the internet was immediately extremely interesting (either useful or fun) for practically everyone who got access. Email and ftp alone were kill…

I can't agree with your point hard enough. Really useful nascent technologies all have this pattern—they grow incrementally more interesting and constantly gain applications.

Bitcoin followed this pattern for a while. But then at some point it started to regress on that axis. You could no longer buy a pizza with it, you could no longer mine it, and it got too flooded by scammers to use safely. There's nothing to really DO with blockchain unless you buy into the subculture. That's very different from early internet, early web, early radio, you name it.

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