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Ran into this today logging into PayPal (the password-must-be-8-20-characters payment service) for the first time in a long time to buy a band t-shirt. After jumping through two different types of CAPTCHAs, now they require you share your phone number to log in. I contacted support via Twitter saying they have my email if they want to verify a login because I'm not comfortable with SIM jacking nor how data-mining is…
Could you call them with Calling Line Identification Restriction? (I. e. caller ID blocking) There is usually a prefix you can dial to suppress your ID. But the exact prefix depends on your location, I think.
Google made it nearly impossible for users to keep their location private
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The pinephone is good for privacy only because it is unpopular. It offers far, far worse security against snooping by third-party apps than iOS does.
This is provably false on every level. Android and iOS deliver plenty of telemetries to Google and Apple. Apps do plenty of surveillance as well.
But it doesn't matter. OS telemetry is the least of your problems. That much bigger threat is that of third-party apps on your phone. And the PinePhone does absolutely nothing whatsoever to deal with that threat, while iOS has a huge amount of security built to prevent this.
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Or even more friendly, CalyxOS. Works perfectly, easy to install and very few problems in the 6 months I've been using it
On which reasonably modern/performant phones can one install them? I did bought an iphone as my latest phone, because Google-riddled android is ridiculous (even though I like the ecosystem much better. Iphones can feel like some embedded software that only allows a few possibilities), but mainly because I could not find a phone on which installing some AOSP fork is safe, won’t delete important firmware (I believe qui…
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DuckDuckGo have said that they make less money, because they use only the search term not other data/tracking. But they still make money.
Big companies have "fiduciary duty" to do the thing that gets them the most money within legal bounds, and not the ethically right thing. As in, they have a duty to breach ethics for profit as long as it's legal. Stupid concept which I wish we could abolish but that's the way the economy is currently setup.
Companies absolutely can be good environmental stewards and pay their workers well in the interests of making money.Just like they can donate to charity while still doing proper fiduciary duty.
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They paid for a phone advertised to include this service, so, in a way, yes, they did.
I'm afraid you don't understand the flow of money here at all. Google or others pay to be the default app for maps / search etc on things like iPhone. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.businessinsider.com/google-...
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You shouldn't lump search ads in with display ads -- search ads are relevant to the search terms, and are much more valuable than display ads. Search ads get a much smaller lift from personalization.
Well, Google lump search and display ads together themselves. You can run display ads as retargeting campaigns from search ads. > Search ads get a much smaller lift from personalization. Search itself has seen huge improvements from personalization. It's hard to imagine that the same shouldn't be the case for the ads shown for a particular query as with the results.
And what's the deal with "hard to imagine"? At some point it was hard to imagine we didnt have any witches. What the evidence?
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This is provably false on every level. Android and iOS deliver plenty of telemetries to Google and Apple. Apps do plenty of surveillance as well.
iOS does very little telemetry. But it doesn't matter. OS telemetry is the least of your problems. That much bigger threat is that of third-party apps on your phone. And the PinePhone does absolutely nothing whatsoever to deal with that threat, while iOS has a huge amount of security built to prevent this.
Huh?
Most mobile-optimized distros offer apps through Flatpak, which gives much stronger sandboxing protections than iOS through Bubblewrap. You can block access to the network, Bluetooth, filesystem (outside the app's sandbox), GPU, accelerometer, webcam, etc. Most distros also offer SELinux and AppArmor for protections outside the sandbox. Accessing stuff from outside the sandbox (like files) is done through portals, similar to the iOS "share" dialog or file-choosing modals.
For non-technical users, all of this is enabled by default. Programs like FlatSeal let them toggle permissions on and off. Technical users can override permissions, spoof fake information, and dive into SELinux rules.
With iOS, users can't block network access from specific apps, spoof sensor data, block GPU access, etc. You're only as private as Apple thinks you need to be.
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#338Earlier this week there was a post regarding Google and its utilization of private health information. A number of Googlers came forward to describe how very seriously Google takes user privacy and keeping inappropriate data from being shared across silos. I got the overall impression of Googlers taking the position of “you guys don’t know how seriously we take peoples privacy.” If any of those Googlers would please…
First of all, the quote from Jack Menzel about figuring out home and work locations sounds 1) about typical for him and 2) exactly correct. If Google is giving you directions and popping up traffic along your route between home and work every day, it's pretty clear what's going on. There's nothing weird or unexpected going on there.
Second, the settings thing. I see this as two issues: one, multiple settings, and two, making the settings hard to find. For the first, both search and maps had their own settings (web whatever vs location/location history), and they didn't talk to each other. I'm sure the relevant VPs talked about relevant VP-things, which probably did not include the config page. Both were sure they had an option to turn location off (for their project), so that box was checked, and done. Yes, someone should have made sure there was a single button, not three, but the org chart was shipped instead.
The hard-to-find thing is harder. I, as a regular schlub engineer, think that sounds pretty sleazy, but I have no idea how true it is. If someone's A/B test said, oh user engagement was down on this arm, I can see that happening. It'd be a failure, but I can see that happening.
I guess at my level, it seems like all the people I'm working with take user privacy really seriously. If someone wants their data deleted, we go through a lot of hoops to make sure it's really gone. Any feature using user-data gets a privacy review and usually ends up requiring pretty strict differential privacy bounds.
This is a little unfair and possibly just ignorant, but my impression is that Google is far better at protecting user location info than the telecoms, who have more complete data from cell-tower triangulation and who are generally willing to sell that data to whoever, and yet they get a lot less attention for it.
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#339I've had a string of Google phones going back to the Nexus 5x but, for the very reasons laid out in this article, my next phone will likely be from Apple. That will be my first Apple product.
Lots of answers here on how an enthusiast can circumvent these problems on Android. I'm not going to give my mom a pinephone or custom rom, and I'm happy that there's an accessible mainstream option.
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This is what is keeping me from switching. Apple, if anyone is listening: allow a full Firefox browser on the iphone and I will switch in a heart beat
Yup, Youtube Vanced (which not only blocks ads but sponsor segments too, while iOS can barely even block the ads in a browser) and proper Firefox are the main reasons I can't consider iOS.