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Our digital pasts weren’t supposed to be weaponized like this

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Re: Our digital pasts weren’t supposed to be weaponized like this

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I realized this back in 1997 when dejanews started up. From then on I never posted with my real name, and never will. I only have a very limited internet presence with my real name and never post any of my opinions on it.

Another place people never post with their real name: the voting booth. Hence the big shockers: "How did XXXX win?" It's because nobody who thought that way ever said so out loud.

Re: Our digital pasts weren’t supposed to be weaponized like this

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I significantly scaled back my online presence this year. I deleted accounts, scrubbed information from my public profiles, and left many communities.

Despite my very bening post history, I don't feel safe participating in the discussion anymore. I don't fear being cancelled, but I am terrified of Internet lynch mobs. They know no due process, no measure, and no limits.

I've dealt with a lot of direct and personal harassment after being very active in a community. I pulled the plug when someone falsely accused me of sending them creepy PMs. It was quickly debunked by stellar mods, but it made the community way too dangerous to participate in.

Re: Our digital pasts weren’t supposed to be weaponized like this

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post #18

The NYT is extremely sectarian. They have been doing exactly what they now critizice for people in their right for a long time. And it is impressive what we are seeing today with corona and Wuhan lab, all those media were basically calling lunatics to those that believed in the Wuhan lab hypothesis,licking the boots of their Chinese masters, now suddenly it is ok to believe that. It is a huge problem for them, when l…

I want to point out that Vox only labeled the edits and tweeted about it after they were caught red handed stealth editing their deception.

The other "usual suspects" were all attacking lab leak theory in 2020, including CNN, Washington Post and the NYT.

Washington Post's chief fact checker called it "debunked".

These people are quite literally controlling the flow of information, given their secret contracts with Facebook and their influence on Twitter, YouTube and other platforms.

Corporate media needs to die before they get more people killed (NYT lied about WMDs in Iraq and thousands of innocent people died, nobody was fired).

Re: Our digital pasts weren’t supposed to be weaponized like this

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This is a difficult problem to solve unless you can remove stuff about yourself from Google and other platforms. Which won't happen as that would be expensive manual work for the platforms. I cannot imagine what happens to the gigs of info young people post online (about eachother and themselves) that will be mined in 10-20 years by companies and used for evil. Since I said something in an interview to push a particu…

Isn't this more or lesss what the EU's "right to be forgotten" initiative was about? To my knowledge, GDPR also contains legal provisions that let you enforce deletion of your data.

How usable this is in practice when entire industries depend on preserving that data is another question...

Re: Our digital pasts weren’t supposed to be weaponized like this

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post #22

I significantly scaled back my online presence this year. I deleted accounts, scrubbed information from my public profiles, and left many communities. Despite my very bening post history, I don't feel safe participating in the discussion anymore. I don't fear being cancelled, but I am terrified of Internet lynch mobs. They know no due process, no measure, and no limits. I've dealt with a lot of direct and personal ha…

I despise litigation but perhaps that's the best solution to solving this - especially when it also involves lies and blackmail. Maybe people will think twice if there are very real consequences involved.

Re: Our digital pasts weren’t supposed to be weaponized like this

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Instead of self censoring and deleting our past, we should solve the problem on the recipient's side, and harden ourselves against this kind of attack.

When someone is booted out of office for the wrong reasons (even though it is "the right person", i.e. someone who's views I don't agree with) I speak out against it. If I was a politician, I would pledge before elections to never step down due to anything that happend in my past; if I had a company I would consider adding something into contracts that we cannot fire people due to past controversial statements.

I think we have a unified legal system for a reason, and would prefer if everything prohibited is handled there, after which you are considered innocent again. I don't like cases where someone is legally innocent but yeah he's an asshole and we don't give him a job anymore. You could argue different people have different standards, and it is a free market and people are allowed to choose who they work with and who they deplatform - but in practice, at least in the entertainment industry, the standards are rather monolithic. Companies don't want to offend anyone, and also don't want to get trouble with payment providers, so you get certain behavior. Don't kid yourself, the liberal Twitter bubble doesn't have the kind of power to "cancel" people on their own - big corporations and media companies decide what get's picked up, what get's scandalized, and what is acceptable. And I'd really rather have this decided democratically by some kind of parliament or council than by some companies.

Re: Our digital pasts weren’t supposed to be weaponized like this

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I realized this back in 1997 when dejanews started up. From then on I never posted with my real name, and never will. I only have a very limited internet presence with my real name and never post any of my opinions on it.

Caution is still advised. ML identity-matching using your writing patterns/idiosyncracies will likely be a thing in the near future.

I'm envisioning a browser extension that runs your posts back-and-forth through Google Translate and DeepL a few times, scrubbing your post of all personal markings (and nuance).

Re: Our digital pasts weren’t supposed to be weaponized like this

#30

This is a difficult problem to solve unless you can remove stuff about yourself from Google and other platforms. Which won't happen as that would be expensive manual work for the platforms. I cannot imagine what happens to the gigs of info young people post online (about eachother and themselves) that will be mined in 10-20 years by companies and used for evil. Since I said something in an interview to push a particu…

There actually is a process to remove yourself from Google Search results.

https://support.google.com/websearch/troubleshooter/9685456?...

https://support.google.com/websearch/troubleshooter/3111061?...

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