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Google made it nearly impossible for users to keep their location private

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Re: Google made it nearly impossible for users to keep their location private

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Ad blocking works perfectly fine, wdym?

I mean that 1Blocker is terrible compared to uBlock+NoScript, and that's the best content blocker I could find after spending days researching them. Plus, it costs $3/mo or $40 for something that barely functions. Web browsing in iOS is incredibly frustrating and privacy-unfriendly compared to Android. I recently bought an iPhone for the app tracking protection, but the difference between Safari and Firefox is like n…

Have you had a look at AdGuard Pro? I use it on iOS and I don’t notice any ads on the web, and it’s not really different from using UBlock Origin on Firefox in my experience.

Re: Google made it nearly impossible for users to keep their location private

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Yeah, but you'd have to be a fool to go. Google has proven over and over again that they don't value customer support or long term maintenance. They will get bored and sunset services you depend on, or switch off your entire business because some employee sent suspicious email on his gmail.

GCP is very different than the consumer services.

So they claim. Anecdotal evidence suggests otherwise:

https://www.reddit.com/r/googlecloud/comments/gbh7p6/gcp_sus...

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26252533

Re: Google made it nearly impossible for users to keep their location private

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There’s a huge privacy battle on the horizon in tech. The initial scuffles are just the beginning. Google and Facebook’s business models depend deeply on being able to track information that consumers are increasingly unhappy to share. Both companies attempts to diversify their dependency on such info for their revenue have been broadly unsuccessful (Google fiber or a Google car anyone?). Meanwhile the likes of Apple…

One thing I've been meaning to do for a while is try to use a 'hardcore' AOSP 'de-googled' Android rom, like ParanoidAndroid. I've no idea how much of a pain in the arse this will be. Heck, being rooted causes enough unexpected "why do you not work" moments for me. If anything, I feel Google has got more hostile to the privacy-conscious user over time. The trouble with privacy as a product is that it's _very_ hard to…

This kind of stuff is not, in general, possible to verify. You will always be trusting someone to be doing what they say they are doing.

This isn't a bad thing. Society is built on trust. All it means is that there needs to be consequences for breaking that trust, to keep everyone honest.

Re: Google made it nearly impossible for users to keep their location private

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Google had a brilliant advertising business with AdWords originally, where the ads were simply based on the search term and not a bunch of Orwellian surveillance on the person searching. From the research I've seen, all this privacy-invading crap doesn't even improve ad performance much - it's small incremental gains at best. And per this article, those gains are clearly coming at the expense of user trust and goodwi…

Can someone point me in the right direction regarding the mentioned research? My feeling is still that google know what they are doing when it comes to ads.

Re: Google made it nearly impossible for users to keep their location private

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Google had a brilliant advertising business with AdWords originally, where the ads were simply based on the search term and not a bunch of Orwellian surveillance on the person searching. From the research I've seen, all this privacy-invading crap doesn't even improve ad performance much - it's small incremental gains at best. And per this article, those gains are clearly coming at the expense of user trust and goodwi…

Insightful reasoning. The moat that Google built and maintains with privacy invasion is a legal moat rather than a business moat.

A competing ad service, naturally much smaller at first, would be hard pressed to replicate[1] even part of Google's privacy-invasive targeting, due to the costs involved. Even more importantly, a competing ad service would be nigh unable to replicate even part of Google's privacy-invasive targeting, due to the legal protections and regulatory oversight of privacy. It is much easier for a large, well established business to "continue as it always did" and get either a nod of understanding, or at worst a slap on the wrist from the regulators - than for a newer, smaller player to start doing anything shady. In the later case, stiff penalties and "making an example of" can be expected for variety of reasons - the new player tends to not be well connected in the regulatory circles, and tends to be less influential on the local economy either, thus there's little downside for slapping the new player hard.

This is yet another case where regulatory framework with somewhat arbitrary enforcement (relevant fines have wide ranges; judicial injunctions are optional and discretionary) entrenches and unfairly protects from competition the existing large market players.

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[1] sadly, ability to replicate minute features is key to provide "bullet-point engineering" and getting sales to casual buyers who are easily impressed by long feature list - and to advanced buyers who are trying to squeeze every last bit of advantage from the service.

Re: Google made it nearly impossible for users to keep their location private

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I've had a string of Google phones going back to the Nexus 5x but, for the very reasons laid out in this article, my next phone will likely be from Apple. That will be my first Apple product.

get a pinephone if you value freedom and privacy. apple ios is just as bad as android or microsoft windows

The pinephone is good for privacy only because it is unpopular. It offers far, far worse security against snooping by third-party apps than iOS does.

Re: Google made it nearly impossible for users to keep their location private

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DuckDuckGo have said that they make less money, because they use only the search term not other data/tracking. But they still make money.

Big companies have "fiduciary duty" to do the thing that gets them the most money within legal bounds, and not the ethically right thing. As in, they have a duty to breach ethics for profit as long as it's legal. Stupid concept which I wish we could abolish but that's the way the economy is currently setup.

This is a widely believed myth. There is no corporate law requiring public corporations to maximize profits. Simply untrue.

Re: Google made it nearly impossible for users to keep their location private

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DuckDuckGo have said that they make less money, because they use only the search term not other data/tracking. But they still make money.

Big companies have "fiduciary duty" to do the thing that gets them the most money within legal bounds, and not the ethically right thing. As in, they have a duty to breach ethics for profit as long as it's legal. Stupid concept which I wish we could abolish but that's the way the economy is currently setup.

That’s not what a fiduciary duty is. The fiduciary duty is for a broker dealer to act in your best interests rather than rip you off.

A company’s management has a duty to shareholders to work on behalf of the shareholders and not on behalf of their own well being. That usually means profit because that’s what most shareholders own the company for, not for charity. But there is no particular duty to maximize it at all costs. Damage to reputation and legal risk and the like are real concerns.

If anything, it’s the self-interested managers violating their duty who cut the most corners and burn goodwill, in the name of hitting short term goals and chasing their bonus.

Re: Google made it nearly impossible for users to keep their location private

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post #190

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DuckDuckGo have said that they make less money, because they use only the search term not other data/tracking. But they still make money.

Big companies have "fiduciary duty" to do the thing that gets them the most money within legal bounds, and not the ethically right thing. As in, they have a duty to breach ethics for profit as long as it's legal. Stupid concept which I wish we could abolish but that's the way the economy is currently setup.

This is a huge oversimplification. Short term gains of breaching ethics might result in middle- and longterm reduced profit, regulatory action or opportunity for other players to eat their lunch. Businesses can follow ethics if they decide to, even when breaking them results in more immediate profits.

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In a way it seems pragmatic. You say all the boundaries are being violated, you might as well get something out of it. Also I’m not sure there’s a lot of difference in loss of privacy and tapping or swiping a credit card.

Using a credit card still has an easily recognizable physical interaction element that’s easy for most people to understand. “I swipe my card, so my card company and maybe others know what I bought and where”. The pervasive passive collection on a mobile phone is harder to internalize. “I carry a persistent, always on radio beacon that can record and transmit to arbitrary third parties all of my actions, searches, co…

> is not how most non tech people would describe their mobile phone.

Yeah, being in tech, I wouldn't describe it like that either. It seems like so overboard that I would describe your post as misinformation/FUD.

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