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Re: Ask HN: How to cope with the death of a dear person?

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One bad advice I hear is "get over it" or "you will get over it". Why would anyone do that? You lost somebody you cared about, why would you get over them? Your loved one will always be with you, in your memories, in your life experiences. If you get a smile while thinking of the things you did together, then they are not really dead.

There are a few interpretations but I think you are mixing "getting over it" and "getting over them". Getting over the death is very different to getting over the person.

>Your loved one will always be with you, in your memories, in your life experiences. If you get a smile while thinking of the things you did together, then they are not really dead.

Exactly, this is the point you can get to when you are able to get over their death - you can remember the experiences rather than just experiencing grief.

Re: Ask HN: How to cope with the death of a dear person?

#62
I am 32 and have lost both of my parents.

My mom passed when I was 15. I felt extremely horrible back then for quite long.

My dad passed away last December, on the SAME DAY with my wedding. Only a few hours after the ceremony. It was like a rollercoaster of emotion within a span of 24 hours -- from smiling and shaking hands in the morning to mourning at night.

After such events, I still do not have any good way to cope with the losses. Maybe I am now better at accepting the fact that my parents are gone forever -- no more family gathering with them, no more arguments, no more adult talk, etc. Everything just becomes silence.

So I accepted the silence. I allow thoughts of them to come to me, replay the memories in my head, then try to not hold on the thoughts. My tears still fall occasionally but such times do not feel as painful as in the earlier days.

Hope you will soon find a balance point for your emotion.

Re: Ask HN: How to cope with the death of a dear person?

#63
A few weeks after my partner's mother died, we were looking at a photo album. I was surprised at some of the pictures of her -- playing at the beach, singing, serving friends at a dinner party -- happy and vital. I realized that in my memories of her from years before I was picturing her as she was in the months before she passed. Wizened, exhausted, confused. My memories of her were ugly and grotesque, and I had been avoiding them.

I spent the rest of that evening, recounting to myself, with help from my partner, my history with her mother and recovering memories of how she looked and acted over the years I had known her. How she laughed when she was tipsy, how glorious she was when she and her husband were singing a particular song to each other. How she dressed when my partner got her doctorate. How thrilled she was to welcome someone even when she could no longer recognize who she was welcoming.

I still felt her loss from my future plans and expectations, but the loss of her that I had imposed on my past was gone. Since then I've found some people distort their memories in this way and many don't. I'm glad I discovered what I had been doing and stopped it.

Re: Ask HN: How to cope with the death of a dear person?

#64
post #39

It's more of a prevention than a cure, but Stoicism (the philosophy, not the abstract concept) is a good philosophy of life that would help strengthen you for this kind of negatives. You wouldn't stop caring or feeling, but you'd be more in control over what the feelings do to you, and see these events in a more "positive" light.

I'll note that you probably mean this in the original sense of Zeno's philosophy and not the modern use, which has more of a connotation of emotional repression. Somewhere along the way from ancient Greece "stoic" began to mistake the original's sense of not allowing yourself to be controlled by your emotions to something like not experiencing them to begin with. Though to be fair, even the original held that certain…

Any good resources for the original sense?

Re: Ask HN: How to cope with the death of a dear person?

#65

I lost my father at age 10 because of a brain tumor. I lost my mother at age 25 due to breast cancer. I'm now aged 27 and lost my brother last month due to alcoholism. It's very sad and recently I cry regularly. Don't be afraid of crying, it's good for the soul. Before my mom passed she said she just wants me to live my life. Do things that make me happy because before you know it life is over. She said: of course yo…

> Do things that make me happy because before you know it life is over.

This is really true, as I've grown older the years go by in what used to feel like months. By averages I've got maybe 25 years left and I'm realizing it will be gone before I know it.

Time passes, whether you do anything with it or not.

Re: Ask HN: How to cope with the death of a dear person?

#67
Pain has a transformative character, and the one you have will never go away. Your duty is to live with it, the same way your loved one did.

My grandmother was an avid gardener. Now that summer is here, I tend to it every day after job. It's in a state of desolation, with wild grass growing everywhere and empty garden beds. I weed them out and take care of the seedlings: sweating, with my muscles arching from physical work, hands being numb because of nettle burns, knees bleeding after crawling on gravel around dooryard.

I struggle and take pleasure in the labor that causes me pain, the way my grandmother did — so that she can live on in her hobby, in that pain, that very act of gardening. She *is* her garden, and *my* grandmother, after all.

  Mother to Christ, at a loss:
  - Are you my God or son?
  You’re nailed onto the cross.
  Tell me how to go on?
  How can I go, having not
  understood, grasped, derived:
  are you my son or God?
  That is, dead or alive?

  He, in turn, explained:
  - Dead or alive, this time,
  woman, it’s all the same.
  Son or God, I’m thine.

  — Joseph Brodsky, Nature Morte
The *time*-travel you are looking for isn't about being there and then. It's about persisting the pastime (the way of engaging with the materiality of *space*) of those who are long gone. About deciding what you steal from Kronos, what you leave to be devoured by him, and how far will you manage to travel with that stolen good now claimed as yours.

So, my advice: look into your father-in-law's stories and military career; write and perform acts of bravery the way he did.

https://youtu.be/O7fXfCZ4sB4?t=95

Re: Ask HN: How to cope with the death of a dear person?

#68
post #62

I am 32 and have lost both of my parents. My mom passed when I was 15. I felt extremely horrible back then for quite long. My dad passed away last December, on the SAME DAY with my wedding. Only a few hours after the ceremony. It was like a rollercoaster of emotion within a span of 24 hours -- from smiling and shaking hands in the morning to mourning at night. After such events, I still do not have any good way to co…

I lost my father at 15 and my mother at 32. My mother did not live long enough to see me get married; in fact, I'm now 34 and nowhere close to getting married. But she really would have wanted to see that. Hope this is something slightly helpful, a positive thought.

Re: Ask HN: How to cope with the death of a dear person?

#69
When a loved one passes, it’s going to feel like hundred foot waves are crashing down on you. With time, the waves get smaller; you’ll be reminded by a place, a memory, or a song. The waves never go away completely, but with time you will learn to navigate them.

Very sorry for your loss.

Re: Ask HN: How to cope with the death of a dear person?

#70

I lost my wife in February. We knew it was coming and were able to say goodbye. It doesn't hurt any less. My wife left me an article series to read, in print, but it's also online, and it has proved helpful over and over again especially when I am in the deepest throes of agony. I hope it helps you and your wife: "Help for Those Who Grieve" https://www.jw.org/en/library/magazines/awake-no3-2018-nov-d... You'll benefi…

Very sorry for your loss

Thank you :)
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