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Re: ProtonMail includes Google Recaptcha for login

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Post by colordrops »

mannerheim wrote: post #69
nexuist wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> they’re likely interested in tying accounts to real identities I don't think it means they're interested in tying accounts to a specific identity, just an identity, to prevent bots or bad actors from signing up for thousands of accounts. This is a necessary reality of being an email provider. If you do not police your outbound mail then other mail servers will block or auto-junk your users' messages. There is no wa…

Perhaps a way to solve it would be to accept a nominal fee of cryptocurrency. Even a one-time fee of e.g. $5 would probably put a damper in someone trying to sign up for thousands of accounts while preserving privacy for real users.

Interestingly, Hashcash was a Proof of Work system that was designed to stop email spam, and was a precursor that Bitcoin was based on.

Re: ProtonMail includes Google Recaptcha for login

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Post by tw04 »

loh wrote: post #164
aaravchen wrote: post #155

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It looks interesting, it goes the functionality checkboxes, but given the thread here the target audience is likey interested in privacy and security. Tricepmail seems to have little to no information about security, and the privacy policy is basically GDPR compliance (specifically: we'll tell you what we collect personal info for) with the option to sell the data to third parties. Additionally, the apps appear to be…

Thanks for your feedback. I will touch on all your points. TricepMail is designed specifically for privacy, and not only privacy for your data on TricepMail’s servers but for preventing others from tracking and selling your information as well. The privacy policy specifically states that there is no collection of your personal information. TricepMail is based out of Colorado, US, but considering moving to another cou…

Are you representing tricepmail? Because it kind of sounds like you are. And if you are, it's kinda shady to not disclose that in your initial post asking what people think of it...

Re: ProtonMail includes Google Recaptcha for login

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Post by jimmaswell »

vmception wrote: post #71
jimmaswell wrote: post #28

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A visitor from TOR is extraordinarily more likely to be abusive. It makes total sense to put up extra barriers, which is still short of blocking TOR users altogether, which is also fair for webmasters who don't want to deal with it.

I’ve always found it weird how people jump hoops to be apologists for Protonmail Does anybody else find that weird? “I completely misunderstood Swiss privacy laws and fell for a sales pitch from an email and VPN company that goes out of its way to track every user no matter how they sign up! Its to avoid email abuse, exclusively!”

I've never even heard of Protonmail. I just think it's silly to fault anyone for blocking/limiting TOR connections.

Re: ProtonMail includes Google Recaptcha for login

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Post by caymanjim »

fvv wrote: post #179
caymanjim wrote: post #168

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Alas this is a business-ending barrier. Despite its popularity, in the grand scheme of things, not many people have a crypto account. It's also only semi-anonymous, depending on how you fund it. It'd be nice if more businesses accepted crypto, but it isn't viable as a requirement or primary payment mechanism.

No mannerheim is correct , you are saying yeah but some people can't.. but his solution solve the issue , if you want to register under tor over anonymous and secure mail system having 5$ Monero is the easiest thing to procure.. there are communities that trade for cash or you can even mine anonymous there may be other alternatives.. but one solution to avoid bots doesn't exclude others you as subscriber should be ab…

I'm not saying it's hard, I'm saying your potential customer base would shrink to an unsustainably-low level if you required it.

Re: ProtonMail includes Google Recaptcha for login

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Post by ipaddr »

plank_time wrote: post #37
gloriousternary wrote: post #25

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I'm not saying you're wrong, but that particular source is well known for making big claims with insufficient evidence, and it reads like it was written by a conspiracy theorist. Many of the author's claims have already been (imo, pretty solidly) refuted by Proton. Disclaimer: using protonmail until my current subscription runs out, then selfhosting

Self hosting these days is almost impossible because most email providers like gmail and yahoo mail will automatically move your emails to spam. It’s all based on IP address and how reliable that IP address is. Self hosting guarantees that all your sent email will end up in spam folders.

Why not receive all mail on your server and send your mail through your isp.

That way no one reads the emails sent to you and the ones that you send get through (and outbound privacy is not expected if you are sending to gmail or another provider anyhow).

That also makes it harder to track conversations and would take manual work to recreate the conversation threads.

Re: ProtonMail includes Google Recaptcha for login

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Post by fvv »

caymanjim wrote: post #184
fvv wrote: post #179

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No mannerheim is correct , you are saying yeah but some people can't.. but his solution solve the issue , if you want to register under tor over anonymous and secure mail system having 5$ Monero is the easiest thing to procure.. there are communities that trade for cash or you can even mine anonymous there may be other alternatives.. but one solution to avoid bots doesn't exclude others you as subscriber should be ab…

I'm not saying it's hard, I'm saying your potential customer base would shrink to an unsustainably-low level if you required it.

Sorry I was updating my answer while you replied ,i think I've replied in my previous message to this, what i mean is ip or phone or 5$ monero or .. google captcha or ...something else ... You choose then you have different privacy level and they keep service bot free. Entry barrier is not increased because you are free too chose what you want..maybe they can even say monero mining in your browser for 3 hours.. it's a quite reasonable request imo .. and should help vs bots.. yeah in reality it.s increased only if you compare to no bot filter..

Re: ProtonMail includes Google Recaptcha for login

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Post by bellyfullofbac »

texasbigdata wrote: post #142
alpaca128 wrote: post #130

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Full-text search within the average amount of a single user's emails is trivial and fast on any modern PC. Smartphones do it for autocompletion suggestions every time you type a letter. The only thing taking longer than a few milliseconds is the initial indexing.

This sort of comment is frustrating. How many times has XYZ site had broken search? It seems to _not_ be a trivial problem still.

Gotta love all the comments here and on the Github issue who just throw out casual "This problem is trivial to solve!"'s.

Re: ProtonMail includes Google Recaptcha for login

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Post by marmaduke »

cowpig wrote: post #47

When I started my company we chose to use Protonmail. My advice to anyone who wants secure email: don't use protonmail. The email search is completely useless. I don't understand how it can possibly be so difficult to do a substring search on a corpus and rank them in some kind of sane way. Searching for old emails based on content is an exercise in futility. After a few years of using an email service, search become…

> exceedingly difficult to pull data out

Their “bridge” lets you use a regular imap client, which makes it trivial.

Re: ProtonMail includes Google Recaptcha for login

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Post by dang »

cookiengineer wrote: post #2

Last week ProtonMail integrated Google's Recaptcha to their Login Page. As a project that advocates Privacy and Security, and was an immediate response to the Snowden Leaks, I find this kinda ironic that they now set the Google PREFs cookie for all of their users - while they still maintain the same marketing on their website. And well, I am looking for new options now, I guess.

This comment was originally posted to a different thread:

Google made it nearly impossible for users to keep their location private - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27324755

Since it's more on-topic here, I've moved it hither.

Re: ProtonMail includes Google Recaptcha for login

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Post by bellyfullofbac »

loh wrote: post #164
aaravchen wrote: post #155

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It looks interesting, it goes the functionality checkboxes, but given the thread here the target audience is likey interested in privacy and security. Tricepmail seems to have little to no information about security, and the privacy policy is basically GDPR compliance (specifically: we'll tell you what we collect personal info for) with the option to sell the data to third parties. Additionally, the apps appear to be…

Thanks for your feedback. I will touch on all your points. TricepMail is designed specifically for privacy, and not only privacy for your data on TricepMail’s servers but for preventing others from tracking and selling your information as well. The privacy policy specifically states that there is no collection of your personal information. TricepMail is based out of Colorado, US, but considering moving to another cou…

When Zuck says Facebook wasn't sharing our data with NSA/Prism, he has his company's and his own reputation on the line if he was lying... we don't know who you are and what this service is, so, sorry to say, but your 2nd paragraph doesn't mean much.

I could promise you I'll send you a legit authentic fancy gold Rolex worth $20,000 if you transfer me $15,000, so you can re-sell it and make $5,000 in an instant. Would you believe me?

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