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Google made it nearly impossible for users to keep their location private

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Re: Google made it nearly impossible for users to keep their location private

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I've had a string of Google phones going back to the Nexus 5x but, for the very reasons laid out in this article, my next phone will likely be from Apple. That will be my first Apple product.

I really have to decide if the customizability of my Android phone is worth losing my location / private data.

I love Tasker, love automating boring repetitive work and other tasks out of my day. But is that worth losing all my privacy? Can't say...

Re: Google made it nearly impossible for users to keep their location private

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so an android phone without the store? intriguing. at that point you might as well switch to a dumbphone. are dumb phones still a thing?

aurora store is a thing.

And F-Droid. And there’s plenty of sites to download APKs outside of the Play Store, though I don’t know how reliable they are.

Re: Google made it nearly impossible for users to keep their location private

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OK, but I don't find the distinction as stark as others on HN seem to. My location data being used by Apple-authored applications running on my device, none of which I've ever intentionally used, is not that different to me than my location data being used on my behalf by Google-written applications, many of which I personally enjoy, running in Google data centers. I like that I can see my location history in Google…

Apple collects location data solely to help you. They've built themselves no financial benefit to collect it, so they keep it only on the device and discard it as much as possible, while still providing all the features users want. If you want a location tracker on iOS, you can install one, but it's not a condition of using their mapping product. Google has a financial incentive to violate your privacy, and all of it…

As an ex-Android user who switched to an iPhone because of privacy concerns, I’d still like sources and hopefully proof for these claims.

The more I think about it, the more I suspect trusting another big tech company with my privacy with no material proof other than their word might have been foolish.

Re: Google made it nearly impossible for users to keep their location private

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At the same time, Google think allways I'm in germany on work, because our company has just one large internet connection for all company users from the whole world. And google does not even let me change the country.

Googles forced country localization is IMBECILICLY STUPID. I am currently in a foreign country. My English OS laptop with English browser has been logging in to gmail in English for years, and I ask Google search to show results in English for 5 years and EVERY TIME it tries to show the local language. Going to google.com is IGNORED, why?? Google engineers are paid $$$$$$$$ of dollars to implement THE MOST STUPID COD…

Same for me, worse, I search for something in English and it shows me results in the local language. And if you think that SEO destroyed the English internet, try it in Spanish, there is literally nothing there, pure FB and Pinterest.

Re: Google made it nearly impossible for users to keep their location private

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I saw some people saying that this makes them want to switch towards iphones next. I'm not gonna lie, I considered it for a moment too, like a year ago... But apple is now engaging in its own share of dark patterns and is now collecting data too. There have been multiple articles on the matter shared here even. Thinking that apple is better than google for privacy (or, even if it is right now , that it will remain so…

I've considered switching to iPhone many many times mostly just for iMessage and Facetime. Every time I change my mind after just a few minutes of considering what switching to iOS entails.

Re: Google made it nearly impossible for users to keep their location private

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what about users who don't sign into their android phones with a google account and don't actively use google apps like maps or chrome or whatever they have? i suspect they still have your data but it isn't tied to "you" unless you tell them by linking who you are so you should be fine?

so an android phone without the store? intriguing. at that point you might as well switch to a dumbphone. are dumb phones still a thing?

There are plenty of other stores to chose from.

The problem here is that there are some apps that don't work without Google services, and those are the apps that you need the most: banking apps, payment apps, Uber, etc.

Re: Google made it nearly impossible for users to keep their location private

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> From the research I've seen, all this privacy-invading crap doesn't even improve ad performance much Which research? From my experience, personalized ads perform ~50% better than non-personalized ads. This would also explain why Google and Facebook are fighting tooth and nail to keep their tracking infrastructure.

Here's one study - 1st link is a ZdNet summary about it, and 2nd is a direct link to the paper: https://www.zdnet.com/article/new-research-shows-personalize... https://weis2019.econinfosec.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/6/...

It depends a lot on the content. If you're targeting a lucrative niche, contextual ads can be effective. But for the majority of (mostly low-quality) content, it's hard to find well-matched ads. The study you cited is based on "a rich dataset of millions of advertising transactions completed across multiple websites owned by a large media company". It's probably not that representative.

Re: Google made it nearly impossible for users to keep their location private

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There’s a huge privacy battle on the horizon in tech. The initial scuffles are just the beginning. Google and Facebook’s business models depend deeply on being able to track information that consumers are increasingly unhappy to share. Both companies attempts to diversify their dependency on such info for their revenue have been broadly unsuccessful (Google fiber or a Google car anyone?). Meanwhile the likes of Apple…

One thing I've been meaning to do for a while is try to use a 'hardcore' AOSP 'de-googled' Android rom, like ParanoidAndroid. I've no idea how much of a pain in the arse this will be. Heck, being rooted causes enough unexpected "why do you not work" moments for me. If anything, I feel Google has got more hostile to the privacy-conscious user over time.

The trouble with privacy as a product is that it's _very_ hard to verify it. Apple has basically said "Trust us, We're Okay" and smaller fry are even harder to verify.

Re: Google made it nearly impossible for users to keep their location private

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Google had a brilliant advertising business with AdWords originally, where the ads were simply based on the search term and not a bunch of Orwellian surveillance on the person searching. From the research I've seen, all this privacy-invading crap doesn't even improve ad performance much - it's small incremental gains at best. And per this article, those gains are clearly coming at the expense of user trust and goodwi…

What research? Multiple companies which use these practices have grown from zero to trillion+ dollars in market cap, so I find it hard to believe the narrative that all of it is useless and ineffective.

Re: Google made it nearly impossible for users to keep their location private

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Fair, though the comment above his was definitely asking in a more general sense.

I think it was pretty relevant nonetheless because by tweaking the UI and UX Google is actively harming their users abilities to implement the threat model they have chosen (no matter which one they choose).

Whether or not this is true, it's far from the original question. OP's question (in my reading) presupposes permission to monitor healthcare data. If you believe the xoogler and googler responses in this thread, Google's data stewardship will be superior to that of other people doing healthcare ERP stuff. So the only question is if Google can do something without ads tracking, and the answer is yes. Gmail and Docs and Drive isn't used for ads purposes (granted gmail used to be, but even then it was siloed and only used within gmail). It's just a freemium model.
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