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Re: Ask HN: How to cope with the death of a dear person?

#51
I lost my father 2 months before my son was born. Of course, the kid is named after him. Last time I saw him lucid we showed him a 3D echography. At least he could see his grandson. The next day he lost conscience and we started palliative care. I don't remember how many days later he passed away: it was both quick and too slow.

Since then, cancer is my no.1 enemy.

I you are researching about lung (small cell) cancer and need help, please count with me.

Re: Ask HN: How to cope with the death of a dear person?

#52
dying, usually happens to everythings... our world is ephemeral... and everythings in this (let say beautiful world?) has a chunk of time to spent...

just be rational... it's ofc something that make you feel sad... but you must not stick to this sadness... life continue for you and you have to profit your time too...

have a nice day :)

Re: Ask HN: How to cope with the death of a dear person?

#53
post #30

Psychologists say that depression after a loss of a dear person lasts around 2 years. My lasted 3 years. So, no matter how you cope with this event, you will feel bad for 2 years, unfortunately.

From my experience the first year is hard: you'll face a lot of situations where your loved one used to be. It hurts, and it is normal.

The second year is worse because there are some situations you haven't faced yet (for whatever reason) and you bump into that situations with your guard down.

After the third year it is less probable, and frequent and you might handle that situations differently.

But there are times you just miss the loved ones that passed away, no matter how much time has passed.

I guess that's the price we pay for being human.

Re: Ask HN: How to cope with the death of a dear person?

#54
It took me about a year of spinning my wheels after my dad's death before I began properly grieving, and I suffered significantly for several years as a result. It exacerbated burnout I was already experiencing. I lost friends and missed career opportunities because I was such a mess.

Seek therapy, now. Take time to grieve, but first, you probably need to learn how to grieve. Societies used to have extensive rituals around death, which provided a framework for processing death as a community. We're left to grieve in isolation, and it sucks.

Re: Ask HN: How to cope with the death of a dear person?

#55
I'm very sincerely sorry for your loss :(

The book Love and Death by Forest Church was VERY helpful to me and I recommend it highly. It's written by a pastor who was terminally ill, but it isn't focused on religion (although it's a factor).

I lost my mom as a teenager and I'm 43 now so have some perspective on death, but I don't know your pain as it's yours. Here are the things I'm telling myself in case any of it is useful?...

I am thankful for the time I did have. I know that I will lose everything I love in this world when either I die or they die (best case). This means my capacity for loss and love are perfectly symmetrical, so I face loss with gratitude. I do not throw a tantrum that I didn't get more, as I am grateful to have had that love at all.

I know humanity at its best functions like one organism, and that organism deploys love to fill voids of sadness (as is happening in this comment section). If I look I find that in other areas of life as well, my friends, family and community at their best react to loss by loving each other more. Along those lines I work hard to have no unfinished business with anyone. The people I love know it because I have those awkward talks with them where I make sure they know it. At any moment I am able to face my own death or the death of others with peace. I don't have to be perfect in this regard, just my best.

I do not honor those that are lost with sadness. I honor them with celebration as that's what they want and deserve. Their life and my love for them was vibrant and beautiful and I must remember it for all of that. When I think back on good times with those that are gone and smile or even laugh I know their energy wherever it is, is alive.

I wish you the best on your journey.

Re: Ask HN: How to cope with the death of a dear person?

#56
I lost my father yesterday due to COVID-19 related complications. He was not only my guiding light but also for my whole extended family of 50+ people as head of the house. He came from a impoverished farmer family from rural India, and ensured that all his brothers and kids get quality education. We’re still reeling from his loss.

Years ago I was grieving the loss a dear relative and my father shared some wise words with me. Everyone has limited time on Earth, and we should be aware of the constant presence of death amongst us. The person we lost might not be with us anymore, I aren’t we fortunate enough to have been with them and share some great moments together? Why not celebrate their life and the good memories we all had with them?

Last few days were the hardest for me, as I found myself rudderless and grieving my heart out. But slowly his wise words came back to me parting the dark clouds and eventually I accepted the finality of it. It’s still a long way for me and my family but at least I know we all will be celebrating his wondrous journey and his legacy.

So hang on there internet friend, life is a wonderful gift and we all should celebrate and remember the departed person for all the warmth they brought to us by their presence.

Re: Ask HN: How to cope with the death of a dear person?

#57
post #39

It's more of a prevention than a cure, but Stoicism (the philosophy, not the abstract concept) is a good philosophy of life that would help strengthen you for this kind of negatives. You wouldn't stop caring or feeling, but you'd be more in control over what the feelings do to you, and see these events in a more "positive" light.

I'll note that you probably mean this in the original sense of Zeno's philosophy and not the modern use, which has more of a connotation of emotional repression. Somewhere along the way from ancient Greece "stoic" began to mistake the original's sense of not allowing yourself to be controlled by your emotions to something like not experiencing them to begin with. Though to be fair, even the original held that certain things like fear were not rational and fully developed stoics wouldn't experience it, and in general that emotional extremes were to be avoided.

In some ways it is very like Zen Buddhism in this sense of accepting things as they come without being rule by them. (The naming is only very coincidentally similar-- Zeno's stoicism and Zen)

Re: Ask HN: How to cope with the death of a dear person?

#58

I lost my father yesterday due to COVID-19 related complications. He was not only my guiding light but also for my whole extended family of 50+ people as head of the house. He came from a impoverished farmer family from rural India, and ensured that all his brothers and kids get quality education. We’re still reeling from his loss. Years ago I was grieving the loss a dear relative and my father shared some wise words…

Thanks for sharing this. Really nice words.

Re: Ask HN: How to cope with the death of a dear person?

#59
I recently lost both my in-laws due to COVID-19.

Things I repeat myself:

1. It takes time and there's no way around that. 2. Accept you and your wife are both different people now. When loved ones die, you change. Part of the difficulty is to accept that you're a different person. 3. Live through your emotions, don't suppress them. It's ok to be affected by the most seemingly random things you see. 4. You don't have to talk about this all the time. It's ok to watch a movie to get a break. 5. Seek therapy - a professional can guide you through your feelings and help you making sense of them. 6. Routine helps - but don't lose yourself into what you do to hide from the pain.

I wish you both the best.

Re: Ask HN: How to cope with the death of a dear person?

#60
Main point: their story lives on through the living; what will you emphasize? Also, ride the waves of emotion, recognize what you’re feeling, and decide what to do, whether it be to cry, laugh, sing, reach out to someone, or (opt not to) be violent, etc. It may be years until those waves subside.

My father died largely due to alcoholism, probably one of several complications related to childhood trauma, based on what I’ve pieced together from family, letters, and his journals. We were not very close, and the rift widened after he embraced many conspiracy theories. All the same, we loved each other (we spoke this aloud and in writing and action) and kept writing letters, generally about the weather and phenology. When he died it had been several weeks of phone-tag and me thinking about writing but not actually writing. I accepted his death and also felt guilty about not being there for him, that maybe my neglect hastened his death. I’m over that now, as alcoholism is a slow-motion car crash and he’s dead anyway; all that’s left is our memories (and his ashes as tree-food, and all the cool things he made, and all the work he did for other people’s houses, and the effect of his music, and so on). I let myself ride the waves of emotion and practice noticing what I’m feeling, and ideally deciding what to do next (I still struggle with this), whether it be to cry or laugh or go for a run.

Thank you for the nudge towards reaching out to others. The COVID-19 pandemic was useful for that, as I felt more-able to be social via writing letters.

Acknowledging commonalities has helped me reach out to those family members that have some ideological differences.

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