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Re: Remains of 215 children found at former residential school in British Columbia

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Post by FooBarBizBazz »

dragonwriter wrote: post #90
FooBarBizBazz wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The slash between "eliminate" and "assimilate" is doing a lot of work. It highlights two very different meanings of "genocide". It's the distinction between "killing people" and "killing a people". You're right regarding the history, of course. Also sadly, one has a way of turning into the other. Well, both are sad anyway.

> It highlights two very different meanings of "genocide". It's the distinction between "killing people" and "killing a people". “Killing a people” is genocide. “Killing people” is murder, mass murder if it is lots of people. The latter is sometimes part of the mechanism by which the former is achieved, but there aren’t “two different meanings of ‘genocide’” involved.

So if I take a million people into the gas chambers, and they are diverse in every dimension, then I have merely committed a mass-murder, but not a genocide? But if, in the minds of those people, just before I hit the switch, a collective identity forms -- "The People of the Gas Chamber" -- then my act is instead genocide, due to their internal mental state? (Interestingly, little would be so likely to cause such a shared identity to come into existence, as exactly this kind of shared threat.)

Re: Remains of 215 children found at former residential school in British Columbia

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Post by xphilter »

at_a_remove wrote: post #21

This is one incident among many, but it has less to do with indigenous children as it does with any system wherein the accounting of "disconnected" children is left to that system. Tuam, County Galway ... eight hundred infants with missing graves. St Mary's Cemetery in Lanark, four hundred left in a single mass grave. In Germany, nuns pimping out orphans. The Sisters of Mercy scandal. I could go on. Bluntly put, when…

Leave it to HN to once again take an explicitly racist program (kidnap indigenous kids so as to “civilize” them) and make it seem race neutral.

Re: Remains of 215 children found at former residential school in British Columbia

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Post by samstave »

dade_ wrote: post #53
at_a_remove wrote: post #21

This is one incident among many, but it has less to do with indigenous children as it does with any system wherein the accounting of "disconnected" children is left to that system. Tuam, County Galway ... eight hundred infants with missing graves. St Mary's Cemetery in Lanark, four hundred left in a single mass grave. In Germany, nuns pimping out orphans. The Sisters of Mercy scandal. I could go on. Bluntly put, when…

These children weren’t abandoned, they were forcefully taken from their families by the government. They were sent vast distances to these boarding schools to “kill the Indian in the child”, where they were often mistreated, sexually abused, and went missing ( murder/neglect/ abuse). So it is all the more egregious in this case. The government turned a blind eye to the Churches, and the Churches were doing God’s work…

and then there is the 'conspiracy theory' about the queen of england going to canada to see a bunch of children who later went missing....

Elite pedophiles are a real thing. Abuses such as this are a real thing.

Also, anyone who calls them self a 'royal' can just go fuck themselves. They're kleptocracy and thats all there is to them.

Re: Remains of 215 children found at former residential school in British Columbia

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Post by joshuakelly »

telesilla wrote: post #2

Tears to my eyes, those parents.. The tech for identifying remains must be quite advanced. I don't watch TV shows that might keep me informed on the topic but I imagine it's a well funded area, and like other medical areas the people working there have a strange relationship to their job, given 'job satisfaction' means, successfully identifying cause of death and aiding in criminal investigations as well as relief to…

It's being reported that they used ground-penetrating radar. I don't believe any sort of exhumation has been performed - or if so, it hasn't been reported. I think it's likely therefore that this is an approximation/estimate from whatever data is coming up in the radar.

Would be interesting to know many more details: was this completely unmarked? What were the conditions of the burials? How old are they (both in terms of age of remains but age at death as well)?

Re: Remains of 215 children found at former residential school in British Columbia

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Post by slavik81 »

lriel wrote: post #60

The residential school are a very sad state of affairs with regards to the thinning down of the aboriginal stance and culture in Canada before, during and after the Dominion. My country has had a very bad holier than thou attitude with regards to history and culture. In typical aboriginal kickassness, the Ktunaxa took one of those residential schools and turned it into a luxury golfing resort for the rich gentile fol…

I was born and raised in Alberta, and this is the first I've heard of mental illness. Louis Riel was described as a hero of the Metis in our Social Studies classes. The course material didn't pick a side for the Red River Rebellion.

Re: Remains of 215 children found at former residential school in British Columbia

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Post by thedmstdmstdmst »

kyralis wrote: post #100
dragonwriter wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It highlights two very different meanings of "genocide". It's the distinction between "killing people" and "killing a people". “Killing a people” is genocide. “Killing people” is murder, mass murder if it is lots of people. The latter is sometimes part of the mechanism by which the former is achieved, but there aren’t “two different meanings of ‘genocide’” involved.

I suspect you'll find relatively few people who will use "genocide" to refer to the eradication of a culture without concurrent mass killing of the members of that culture.

If you investigate you will find that the CURRENT Canadian Government released a report saying the CURRENT treatment of indigenous in Canada is an ongoing genocide. Specifically for the eradication of culture you mentioned.

Matters very little what people like yourself who are far away from any impacts want to call it, it's still happening.

Re: Remains of 215 children found at former residential school in British Columbia

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Post by mistermann »

tremon wrote: post #103
koheripbal wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The average institute also doesnt have children buried in the yard. Your conclusion isnt logical.

Actually, the logic is sound. Right now, the calculation is 215 bodies / 1 institute, so an average of 215 bodies per institute. In order to make your statement true, you would already need to find more than 100 institutes without bodies in the yard to bring the average down to 2 bodies per institute, and then find at least another 40 to bring the average below 1.5, in order to make your "the average institute doesn'…

It's interesting how language can be used to transform reality so it has appearances other than what is physically real, yet they appear real to our mind. In a sense, language can be thought of as an API into (or maybe even "a generator of") reality itself.

Re: Remains of 215 children found at former residential school in British Columbia

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Post by jbay808 »

thedmstdmstdmst wrote: post #116
kyralis wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I suspect you'll find relatively few people who will use "genocide" to refer to the eradication of a culture without concurrent mass killing of the members of that culture.

If you investigate you will find that the CURRENT Canadian Government released a report saying the CURRENT treatment of indigenous in Canada is an ongoing genocide. Specifically for the eradication of culture you mentioned. Matters very little what people like yourself who are far away from any impacts want to call it, it's still happening.

The term they use, which should also resolve this absurd definitional argument completely, is "cultural genocide".

Re: Remains of 215 children found at former residential school in British Columbia

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Post by melolife »

FooBarBizBazz wrote: post #111
dragonwriter wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It highlights two very different meanings of "genocide". It's the distinction between "killing people" and "killing a people". “Killing a people” is genocide. “Killing people” is murder, mass murder if it is lots of people. The latter is sometimes part of the mechanism by which the former is achieved, but there aren’t “two different meanings of ‘genocide’” involved.

So if I take a million people into the gas chambers, and they are diverse in every dimension, then I have merely committed a mass-murder, but not a genocide? But if, in the minds of those people, just before I hit the switch, a collective identity forms -- "The People of the Gas Chamber" -- then my act is instead genocide, due to their internal mental state? (Interestingly, little would be so likely to cause such a s…

No, because it depends on the executioner's intention.

Re: Remains of 215 children found at former residential school in British Columbia

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Post by AbrahamParangi »

foolmeonce wrote: post #68
at_a_remove wrote: post #21

This is one incident among many, but it has less to do with indigenous children as it does with any system wherein the accounting of "disconnected" children is left to that system. Tuam, County Galway ... eight hundred infants with missing graves. St Mary's Cemetery in Lanark, four hundred left in a single mass grave. In Germany, nuns pimping out orphans. The Sisters of Mercy scandal. I could go on. Bluntly put, when…

> Bluntly put, when an institution is given power over children, more than that of a family, and the auditing is lax, you're gonna get maltreatment, and from there unmarked graves. Families are not particularly safe. Systems that pulled children from their family for placement in a "correct" family created similar horror stories and the natural families of many are also horror stories. Air crashes are more notable th…

Is this actually true that families are less or equivalently as safe as institutional living though?

At least one study found that rates of abuse in foster homes are ~4x higher than in other homes.

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