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Google made it nearly impossible for users to keep their location private

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Re: Google made it nearly impossible for users to keep their location private

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If you are not paying for it, you're not the customer; you're the product being sold. Few years back you could easily root your android device and get custom ROM installed. Now, only solution is use a feature phone without gps and wifi and have a separate device for connecting to internet. IPhone is also a good alternative but I don't agree with thier walled garden development philosophy. Edit: You pay a separate fee…

Eh? I certainly paid for my phone so I don't see the applicability of that soundbite here.

Re: Google made it nearly impossible for users to keep their location private

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post #4

Even attempting to stay private gets you banned on most services.

Ran into this today logging into PayPal (the password-must-be-8-20-characters payment service) for the first time in a long time to buy a band t-shirt. After jumping through two different types of CAPTCHAs, now they require you share your phone number to log in. I contacted support via Twitter saying they have my email if they want to verify a login because I'm not comfortable with SIM jacking nor how data-mining is cross-referencing phone numbers (I can set up U2F or TOTP after initial verification). They said call them... which is still giving out your phone. I tried to use a Google Voice number, but I got an error about these types of numbers being blocked. To get a non-useless level of support, you must log in so it's either give up your data or no service for you. You shouldn't be required to give out your number to most online services.

I just feel bad for the indie band I couldn't support.

Re: Google made it nearly impossible for users to keep their location private

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There’s a huge privacy battle on the horizon in tech. The initial scuffles are just the beginning. Google and Facebook’s business models depend deeply on being able to track information that consumers are increasingly unhappy to share. Both companies attempts to diversify their dependency on such info for their revenue have been broadly unsuccessful (Google fiber or a Google car anyone?).

Meanwhile the likes of Apple and others are taking a stance of making it increasingly hard for Google and Facebook to do what they want to via updates now advertised as “features” that protect consumers. As these documents highlight Google knows consumers want this privacy and it scares the $&!& out of them. Interesting days ahead.

Re: Google made it nearly impossible for users to keep their location private

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If you are not paying for it, you're not the customer; you're the product being sold. Few years back you could easily root your android device and get custom ROM installed. Now, only solution is use a feature phone without gps and wifi and have a separate device for connecting to internet. IPhone is also a good alternative but I don't agree with thier walled garden development philosophy. Edit: You pay a separate fee…

> If you are not paying for it, you're not the customer; you're the product being sold.

Full price TVs from eg. Samsung comes with ads and spyware nowadays. I would say the saying has stopped being accurate. Also, phones are paid for.

Re: Google made it nearly impossible for users to keep their location private

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post #11

If you are not paying for it, you're not the customer; you're the product being sold. Few years back you could easily root your android device and get custom ROM installed. Now, only solution is use a feature phone without gps and wifi and have a separate device for connecting to internet. IPhone is also a good alternative but I don't agree with thier walled garden development philosophy. Edit: You pay a separate fee…

Eh? I certainly paid for my phone so I don't see the applicability of that soundbite here.

You paid for Google maps - weird

Re: Google made it nearly impossible for users to keep their location private

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If you are not paying for it, you're not the customer; you're the product being sold. Few years back you could easily root your android device and get custom ROM installed. Now, only solution is use a feature phone without gps and wifi and have a separate device for connecting to internet. IPhone is also a good alternative but I don't agree with thier walled garden development philosophy. Edit: You pay a separate fee…

> If you are not paying for it, you're not the customer; you're the product being sold. Full price TVs from eg. Samsung comes with ads and spyware nowadays. I would say the saying has stopped being accurate. Also, phones are paid for.

TVs are so cheap now because of ad subsidies. That 42” panel wouldn’t cost $199 if it weren’t for ads.

Re: Google made it nearly impossible for users to keep their location private

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post #6

It’s even worse than the headline implies. You couldn’t prevent location tracking unless you disabled the numerous switches in settings and turned off WiFi as well. The real damning allegation is that location data collected from google maps/apps and non-google apps was siphoned to all other google products through something that is redacted in the court docs. >"So there is no way to give a third party app your locat…

OK "siphoned" is an opinion. Apple Maps also provides location services to other Apple products on its platform. Unless I disable the switch which is buried at Settings, Privacy, Location Services, System Services, Significant Locations, Apple will "allow your iCloud connected devices to learn places significant to you in order to provide useful location-related information in Maps, Calendar, Photos, and more." If I try to disable it, because I use iOS but I don't use any of those apps, it warns me that "Disabling Significant Locations will affect many Apple apps and services … such as Maps, Do Not Disturb While Driving, CarPlay, Siri, Calendar, and Photos." I'd like to know how that's different.

Re: Google made it nearly impossible for users to keep their location private

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post #15

It used to be "don't be evil". Now its "hide, deny and obsfucate our evil".

Or put more plainly we're just a bunch of cunts.

No, the guy who takes your parking space is a cunt. Google is evil.
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