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Re: Remains of 215 children found at former residential school in British Columbia

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Post by cutemonster »

cheschire wrote: post #3

The final paragraph is the context I desperately needed for the article to have an impact. "The Truth and Reconciliation Commission issued its final report on residential schools more than five years ago. The nearly 4,000-page account details the harsh mistreatment inflicted on Indigenous children at the institutions, where at least 3,200 children died amid abuse and neglect."

And this, the last but one paragraph:

> The Kamloops school operated between 1890 and 1969. The federal government took over the operation from the Catholic Church to operate as a day school until it closed in 1978.

How weird that all the most relevant info, was at the bottom.

Re: Remains of 215 children found at former residential school in British Columbia

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Post by bhouston »

lucian1900 wrote: post #27
bhouston wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This type of suppression of "the other" is incredibly common around the world but it usually, but not always, stops in the current era once it is brought to everyone's attention. The point isn't to condemn the countries involved (e.g. country A is bad and always will be), but to get the suppression of the minority by the majority to stop by having others around the world speak up for the minority (e.g. country A shou…

Sure. But at the same time, false claims of human rights abuses are used all the time to attack official US enemies. Remember the Nayirah testimony? It's merely one of the most visible examples. The world isn't flat with equal power wielded by all countries. Some are exploited and others are exploiters, at gunpoint. We must be precise about claims made, lest we help the exploiter.

Countries denying their own human rights abuses is par for the course. Blaming anyone who brings up those human rights abuse as being an agent (witting or unwitting) of a geopolitical rival is also par for the course.

The US itself has a lot of its own problems with systematic racism as well.

But if I criticize the US on this front, should I expect a commenter to appear (like yourself) to tell me that this isn't actually an issue -- it is just being pushed by Russia agents who are only doing so because there is a geopolitics rivalry between US and Russia?

Re: Remains of 215 children found at former residential school in British Columbia

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Post by fancyfredbot »

bhouston wrote: post #14
fmajid wrote: post #9

And then there is the forced sterilization of indigenous women that is still happening , specially in Alberta: https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/sterilization-indigenous-1....

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Why is bhouston's post being downvoted? People don't believe NYT? Or it's too political to mention this?

Re: Remains of 215 children found at former residential school in British Columbia

#34

Post by tawaysat29may »

throwaway24006 wrote: post #10
bondant wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe this one https://www.arte.tv/en/videos/093799-000-A/killing-the-india... ?

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Re: Remains of 215 children found at former residential school in British Columbia

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Post by jmcan »

kstenerud wrote: post #6

This is not an isolated incident. These schools operated all across Canada, were created specifically to "de-savage the indians", had zero accountability, and almost destroyed an entire people. These kids were taken from their parents, imprisoned in these places, and endured endless abuse for their formative years. And this went on until 1994 in some places! This is Canada's great shame, and we've barely scratched th…

Almost destroyed an entire people? I think they where pretty successful in that regard.

Re: Remains of 215 children found at former residential school in British Columbia

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Post by lucian1900 »

bhouston wrote: post #32
lucian1900 wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sure. But at the same time, false claims of human rights abuses are used all the time to attack official US enemies. Remember the Nayirah testimony? It's merely one of the most visible examples. The world isn't flat with equal power wielded by all countries. Some are exploited and others are exploiters, at gunpoint. We must be precise about claims made, lest we help the exploiter.

Countries denying their own human rights abuses is par for the course. Blaming anyone who brings up those human rights abuse as being an agent (witting or unwitting) of a geopolitical rival is also par for the course. The US itself has a lot of its own problems with systematic racism as well. But if I criticize the US on this front, should I expect a commenter to appear (like yourself) to tell me that this isn't actu…

Russia and China aren't comparable to the US (and allies) in terms of military power, economic coercion or control over propaganda. This false equivalence is manufactured by US and allied media to protect their interests.

It's also worth looking at the actual sources. Try to find something claiming genocide in Xinjiang that doesn't end up using Adrian Zenz or a NED-funded think tank as a source.

On the other hand, for the US's atrocities we have plentiful and varied sources. Some of us have even felt the exploitation and destruction directly or through our families.

Re: Remains of 215 children found at former residential school in British Columbia

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Post by bregma »

telesilla wrote: post #2

Tears to my eyes, those parents.. The tech for identifying remains must be quite advanced. I don't watch TV shows that might keep me informed on the topic but I imagine it's a well funded area, and like other medical areas the people working there have a strange relationship to their job, given 'job satisfaction' means, successfully identifying cause of death and aiding in criminal investigations as well as relief to…

It's unlikely there were enough records to connect the remains with their families. It's also unlikely there will be the big budget required for a TV-style investigation using "zoom! enhance!" technology projected in big screens in glass-walled offices.

The most likely outcome is the remains will be respectfully transferred to local band councils who will perform the appropriate rituals and lay them to their final resting place, and that's it.

Re: Remains of 215 children found at former residential school in British Columbia

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Post by lucian1900 »

fancyfredbot wrote: post #33
bhouston wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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Why is bhouston's post being downvoted? People don't believe NYT? Or it's too political to mention this?

NYT also use Adrian Zenz' report and have a long history of lying to benefit US foreign interests.

Re: Remains of 215 children found at former residential school in British Columbia

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Post by throwaway24006 »

bhouston wrote: post #28
fmajid wrote: post #9

And then there is the forced sterilization of indigenous women that is still happening , specially in Alberta: https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/sterilization-indigenous-1....

According to the article the incident in question happened in 1978. It may be still happening, but this article does not make that claim. Rather it says it happened 40 years ago and there should be an investigation to its extent. EDIT: I was wrong. In addition to the specific incident discussed and the focus on the past, there is this: "New research shows the forced sterilization of Indigenous women is not just a sha…

No, it makes the claim.

'New research shows the forced sterilization of Indigenous women is not just a shameful part of Canadian history. Reports from Alberta, Saskatchewan, Manitoba, Ontario and the territories suggest it is still happening.'

Re: Remains of 215 children found at former residential school in British Columbia

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Post by pyuser583 »

cutemonster wrote: post #31
cheschire wrote: post #3

The final paragraph is the context I desperately needed for the article to have an impact. "The Truth and Reconciliation Commission issued its final report on residential schools more than five years ago. The nearly 4,000-page account details the harsh mistreatment inflicted on Indigenous children at the institutions, where at least 3,200 children died amid abuse and neglect."

And this, the last but one paragraph: > The Kamloops school operated between 1890 and 1969. The federal government took over the operation from the Catholic Church to operate as a day school until it closed in 1978. How weird that all the most relevant info, was at the bottom.

That’s usually where you put the most important info: in the conclusion.

The initial summary might include it as well, or be more broad.

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