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Re: Remains of 215 children found at former residential school in British Columbia

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Post by at_a_remove »

This is one incident among many, but it has less to do with indigenous children as it does with any system wherein the accounting of "disconnected" children is left to that system. Tuam, County Galway ... eight hundred infants with missing graves. St Mary's Cemetery in Lanark, four hundred left in a single mass grave. In Germany, nuns pimping out orphans. The Sisters of Mercy scandal. I could go on.

Bluntly put, when an institution is given power over children, more than that of a family, and the auditing is lax, you're gonna get maltreatment, and from there unmarked graves. Indigenous, orphans, those "born out of wedlock" in the old days, any child prised loose from the family is at tremendous risk of physical abuse, sexual molestation, death, and discarding.

I'm not sure what it says about the human race in general but it isn't very cheery.

Re: Remains of 215 children found at former residential school in British Columbia

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Post by AutoDisorder »

These shouldnt be called residential schools because they werent schools and there was nothing residential about them despite the racist myths. Their primary purpose was not the assimilation of Indigenous children. Their primary purpose was a tool in the war of destruction against all Indigenous peoples -- the only rightful owners of the land illegally occupied by the canadian settler state and its illegal citizens.

These were concentration and extermination camps for Indigeouns children.

Re: Remains of 215 children found at former residential school in British Columbia

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Post by plutonorm »

fmajid wrote: post #9

And then there is the forced sterilization of indigenous women that is still happening , specially in Alberta: https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/sterilization-indigenous-1....

This is unbelievably shocking. Why is this not front page new across the world? Or at least the west? Good god, it’s unbelievable. The doctors should be instantly arrested, why haven’t they been arrested? This isn’t a law suit it’s a criminal investigation. I’ve not heard anything so absolutely disgusting about a first world country in quite some time.

Re: Remains of 215 children found at former residential school in British Columbia

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Post by colechristensen »

bhouston wrote: post #15
vmception wrote: post #11

Twisted, any guesses as to what was going on? Physical harm? Malnourishment?

I'm not an expert but according to Wikipedia the main culprit was tuberculosis[1], which at the time didn't have an effective cure. These deaths could have been prevented if all the students were not concentrated into these schools. Also it appears that the indigenous population was more susceptible to TB. It appears that TB in the indigenous population is still a problem: "The TB rate among Aboriginal people was alm…

TB is also one of the diseases brought to north america by europeans, so there is less or no natural immunity which comes from thousands of years of exposure, presumably this increased risk from “foreign” diseases still exists to an extent in indigenous populations on top of the other factors which put populations at higher risk.

Re: Remains of 215 children found at former residential school in British Columbia

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Post by refurb »

fmajid wrote: post #9

And then there is the forced sterilization of indigenous women that is still happening , specially in Alberta: https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/sterilization-indigenous-1....

Your article references what’s happening in Saskatoon which is not in Alberta?

And the claim is coerced sterilization.

Re: Remains of 215 children found at former residential school in British Columbia

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Post by bhouston »

lucian1900 wrote: post #16
bhouston wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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Except there is no reliable proof of the latter. Projection by the US, Canada and Australia does not constitute proof. [edit] Adrian Zenz does not constitute a reliable source. Not only has his work been shoddy, he is a far-right christian sworn to destroy China. He doesn't even speak Mandarin. Of course the US, Britain, Australia, etc. would amplify his work, since it matches their material interests. Here's a thoro…

This type of suppression of "the other" is incredibly common around the world but it usually, but not always, stops in the current era once it is brought to everyone's attention.

The point isn't to condemn the countries involved (e.g. country A is bad and always will be), but to get the suppression of the minority by the majority to stop by having others around the world speak up for the minority (e.g. country A should stop doing action B because it is wrong.)

This is actually the fundamental principle of human rights groups - speak up for those oppressed when they can not effectively help themselves.

It only appears to be an unchangeable condemnation if there is no chance that the oppression stops. In this case, like in many modern hard cases, there is a lot of denial doing on, both because some want the oppression to continue, and others because they identify with the country involved and believe that all those raising human rights issues are suspect.

Re: Remains of 215 children found at former residential school in British Columbia

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Post by lucian1900 »

bhouston wrote: post #26
lucian1900 wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Except there is no reliable proof of the latter. Projection by the US, Canada and Australia does not constitute proof. [edit] Adrian Zenz does not constitute a reliable source. Not only has his work been shoddy, he is a far-right christian sworn to destroy China. He doesn't even speak Mandarin. Of course the US, Britain, Australia, etc. would amplify his work, since it matches their material interests. Here's a thoro…

This type of suppression of "the other" is incredibly common around the world but it usually, but not always, stops in the current era once it is brought to everyone's attention. The point isn't to condemn the countries involved (e.g. country A is bad and always will be), but to get the suppression of the minority by the majority to stop by having others around the world speak up for the minority (e.g. country A shou…

Sure.

But at the same time, false claims of human rights abuses are used all the time to attack official US enemies. Remember the Nayirah testimony? It's merely one of the most visible examples.

The world isn't flat with equal power wielded by all countries. Some are exploited and others are exploiters, at gunpoint. We must be precise about claims made, lest we help the exploiter.

Re: Remains of 215 children found at former residential school in British Columbia

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Post by bhouston »

fmajid wrote: post #9

And then there is the forced sterilization of indigenous women that is still happening , specially in Alberta: https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/sterilization-indigenous-1....

According to the article the incident in question happened in 1978. It may be still happening, but this article does not make that claim. Rather it says it happened 40 years ago and there should be an investigation to its extent.

EDIT: I was wrong. In addition to the specific incident discussed and the focus on the past, there is this:

"New research shows the forced sterilization of Indigenous women is not just a shameful part of Canadian history. Reports from Alberta, Saskatchewan, Manitoba, Ontario and the territories suggest it is still happening."

Re: Remains of 215 children found at former residential school in British Columbia

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Post by bhouston »

plutonorm wrote: post #23
fmajid wrote: post #9

And then there is the forced sterilization of indigenous women that is still happening , specially in Alberta: https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/sterilization-indigenous-1....

This is unbelievably shocking. Why is this not front page new across the world? Or at least the west? Good god, it’s unbelievable. The doctors should be instantly arrested, why haven’t they been arrested? This isn’t a law suit it’s a criminal investigation. I’ve not heard anything so absolutely disgusting about a first world country in quite some time.

More details here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compulsory_sterilization_in_Ca...

It does appear that the most forced sterilizations, which were part of a eugenics-like program, were stopped in the 1970s based on this article. And there were lawsuits involved by those affected.

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