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Booking.com gives €28m in bonuses to three top execs; Took €65m in State aid

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Covid has got me thinking about the government’s role in social welfare. Providing social welfare through money allows for people to misallocate the money or skim off the top of the money. For the vast majority of people their covid stimulation money did not go into their pockets, it went to their landlord or their mortgage holder resulting in a massive wealth transfer from public funds to banks and those who own lan…

that creates its own perverse incentives. instead, we as citizens should do one thing keenly and singularly, and that is to make representatives regulate markets toward fairness and competitiveness, and against consolidation and regulatory capture. markets work best when there are dozens of mostly mid-sized competitors, not monopolized. capitalism is predicated on such competitive and fair markets, otherwise the capital allocation function doesn’t work (as we’ve seen for the past 50+ years). do not be distracted even a single bit on culture war topics (including covid).

Re: Booking.com gives €28m in bonuses to three top execs; Took €65m in State aid

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A lot of PPP loans in my industry were passed through to the owners as dividends/profit taking, as they didn’t actually need the loans since we were all busy. Small/medium business owners in slightly affected industries got RICH last year.

Small/medium business owners in slightly affected industries got RICH last year. Not to be that guy, but what if that was the real idea behind giving the loans? I have to confess that living in Wisconsin has left me jaded with respect to our leadership. The whole Foxconn experience still informs the way i look at new proposals from our leadership. It's become very difficult for me to believe that some of these politi…

I believe it was a side-effect rather than a cause. The PPP loan program did end up helping a lot of businesses, and to be fair, there wasn’t really time to pick and choose who gets what.

Re: Booking.com gives €28m in bonuses to three top execs; Took €65m in State aid

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post #88

This needs a trigger warning for the Dutch people reading this site. Shameless. Totally shameless.

It's not like we're proud of booking. Dark patterns in their product, horrible tech stack. As a software engineer there you'll get paid 30% over market value to work on Perl in a dysfunctional org.

This bonus round is just another stain on an already bad reputation. Their CMO tried to start some nice PR recently, must be pretty mad now :)

Re: Booking.com gives €28m in bonuses to three top execs; Took €65m in State aid

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I have to agree, if I want to start a competing reservation platform I would take this "opportunity" to launch it, but because big corps (almost a monopoly for booking.com) are helped in difficult times this makes it almost impossible to have competition or new small players that would have been advantaged by not having the weight of the big players.

if you gather a group of people with financial independence, and try to bootstrap and never sell a new reservation platform, you can make it happen in about a decade. The trick is to never bloat budgets and staff, and to stay away from KPI - your goal is to take over regions by dumping prices and providing near-zero commissions on bookings from your platform for as many hotels as you can handle. You can handle this s…

That's interesting because I feel like a lot of tech is in the kind of spot. If enthusiastic people come in and start building really good core products while charging fair value there are going to be a lot of bloated, wasteful tech companies that could end up in a world of hurt. At least that's my opinion.

Re: Booking.com gives €28m in bonuses to three top execs; Took €65m in State aid

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disaster capitalism Taking egregious sums of state aid is crony capitalism and is market manipulation. And wherever you find egregious market manipulation, you'll almost always find government doing the steering.

>government is doing the steering That under capitalism those who accumulate massive amounts of wealth can use that wealth to “buy” the state institutions to do their bidding, is precisely (one of the) problems in capitalism.

One way to address that problem is to prevent "state institutions" from being so powerful as being able to do anyone's bidding.

Re: Booking.com gives €28m in bonuses to three top execs; Took €65m in State aid

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Directly via bailouts and indirectly via inflation, COVID was the biggest wealth transfer to the rich in history.

Not rich here. Wife's company got COVID loans. They were forgiven. Company had to prove money was spent on rent, salaries, benefits. Company didn't make money on it. Employees were able to keep their jobs. No bonuses involved there.

Sort of. $ can go to payroll, but net revenue is still up by PPP amount. So owners can get a performance bonus, and it just happens to be the PPP amount. But if there was no PPP, there wouldn't have been that extra cash, so less $ for bonuses.

This only works if the company was breakeven, or had $ reserves (eg, VC funded w expectation of ever-growing losses)

Re: Booking.com gives €28m in bonuses to three top execs; Took €65m in State aid

#228

Covid has got me thinking about the government’s role in social welfare. Providing social welfare through money allows for people to misallocate the money or skim off the top of the money. For the vast majority of people their covid stimulation money did not go into their pockets, it went to their landlord or their mortgage holder resulting in a massive wealth transfer from public funds to banks and those who own lan…

> For the vast majority of people their covid stimulation money did not go into their pockets, it went to their landlord or their mortgage holder

At a strong risk of over-simplifying, this is a problem solved by regulation. The problem is that you're suggesting we regulate the average citizen by replacing their money with rationed supplies.

You've got it all wrong, the average citizen is entitled to freedom within the bounds of the law. The institutions and the corporate abstractions are entitled to regulation and more restricted bounds of law, they are not entitled to more freedom than a human being.

Our current situation with corporate power is evidence of a total failure of Western capitalist ideals. We've fucked up worse than communism because communism (at least with the USSR) ended, but we fund and support the same atrocities ourselves nonetheless, with our supposedly superior ideals.

Re: Booking.com gives €28m in bonuses to three top execs; Took €65m in State aid

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post #3

Directly via bailouts and indirectly via inflation, COVID was the biggest wealth transfer to the rich in history.

Not rich here. Wife's company got COVID loans. They were forgiven. Company had to prove money was spent on rent, salaries, benefits. Company didn't make money on it. Employees were able to keep their jobs. No bonuses involved there.

That seems ancillary to the GP's point, which was pointing out an overall wealth transfer rather than inveighing against COVID loans.
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