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Booking.com gives €28m in bonuses to three top execs; Took €65m in State aid

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Re: Booking.com gives €28m in bonuses to three top execs; Took €65m in State aid

#171

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How does inflation help the rich? Doesn't that devalue their net worth?

It helps people who are in debt (there's the student loan reduction Biden's been asking for). In theory, it's a wash for assets like stocks and real estate. It hurts bondholders, so especially retirees.

> It helps people who are in debt

Does it really though? It definitely helps people who used low, fixed rate debt to buy assets that will appreciate with inflation, but does it really help the average person with $100k in student loans that isn't going to see a wage increase that comes anywhere close to the increased cost of living?

IMHO the answer is no.

Re: Booking.com gives €28m in bonuses to three top execs; Took €65m in State aid

#172
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Directly via bailouts and indirectly via inflation, COVID was the biggest wealth transfer to the rich in history.

How does inflation help the rich? Doesn't that devalue their net worth?

Inflation on necessities like food/transportation will cause social issues and destabilize society. If you mass printing money, then such money needs to find a place to park themselves, most likely target would be the assets.

Re: Booking.com gives €28m in bonuses to three top execs; Took €65m in State aid

#173
I'm not sure if I just can't find this information or if people exploiting government aid are just silent about it.

These things happen because there are people who are trained to exploit these situations.

But there are definitely levels to it.

One way to do it is to just start a bunch of projects that will fail in countries that cannot meet their EU funds quota.

https://cohesiondata.ec.europa.eu/overview

You look at the data here. Figure out which EU countries can't find enough validly looking projects to get the funds. Go to that country with some initial funding and start legitimate looking business that will be funded by EU (mostly). Create legitimate expenses, even though the business will never be profitable and leech the EU funds through your personal accounts at some non-suspicious rate.

Involving more players makes everything look more legitimate and when things fail, it's just how capitalism works. You can spend decades leeching on the money.

On several occasions I met some fairly competent looking aliens and eventually realized this was the pattern that they wanted to exploit.

These things are also done on a personal level (for example, a psychologist wants to open a practice that will work with groups of children and the project is well-written, costs are well defined and EU gives most of the money and the person just does what they described at a lower cost - spending the money on services that will indirectly make the individual richer).

Another example is non-profits in EU. Small and large, they just suck out so much money, do the things they say will do, but the costs trickle down to the executives through various channels (for example, you can hire individuals to educate your employees but they charge you for fictional stuff and you collect the spent funds through some other way).

Re: Booking.com gives €28m in bonuses to three top execs; Took €65m in State aid

#174

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...and all other forms of disaster capitalism

disaster capitalism Taking egregious sums of state aid is crony capitalism and is market manipulation. And wherever you find egregious market manipulation, you'll almost always find government doing the steering.

Can you point to an example of "capitalism" that is not also an example of "crony capitalism"?

I feel that we should seek something more like "free markets" and "free enterprise". C[rony, if you insist, c]apitalists hate both of those things, and undermine them at every opportunity.

Re: Booking.com gives €28m in bonuses to three top execs; Took €65m in State aid

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The real error here is public money being given to private companies. Let them break Fund people, not companies

Imho, the main error is that they gave away the money unconditionally. The fact that the particular government didn't foresee this outcome is quite astonishing.

> The fact that the particular government didn't foresee this outcome is quite astonishing.

They 100% saw this coming which is why they killed oversight. Best way to get Congress to pass a free giveaway is to get them in on the fun.

Re: Booking.com gives €28m in bonuses to three top execs; Took €65m in State aid

#176

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The COVID relief has helped the rich in the same way that the mortgage tax deduction 'mostly' helps the rich[1]: the majority of the dollars go to aid wealthy people, despite the number of non-wealthy beneficiaries being much higher. [1] https://thehill.com/opinion/finance/358922-mortgage-interest...

That always struck me as an ass-backwards way of looking at taxes. $100 saved by someone near the poverty line is a big deal to them, $100 saved by someone making six figures is not near as much. The recent doubling of the standard deduction is probably one of the biggest (in terms of impact) tax cuts to the lower/middle earners (read: the vast majority of people) in a long time.

I agree that poor-er people have much higher marginal utility for $1, but I think that observation supports this critique!

The 'cost' of spending $1,000,000 on a wealthy person should be measured in terms of how much utility less-wealthy recipients would get out of that money. In the same way, your example with the standard deduction also, I think, supports this critique: either standard deduction is marginal once you reach a high enough level of income, but at lower levels of income it is much, much better (and results in higher tax rebates for poor people). It's an example of a tax policy that does the reverse of the mortgage tax deduction - it becomes less proportionally beneficial at higher levels of income.

P.s. I may have misread your comment, and if we are actually in agreement I apologize!

Re: Booking.com gives €28m in bonuses to three top execs; Took €65m in State aid

#177

Stop using marketplaces and book directly, these companies have no risks and take 16% to 30% commissions. If consumers start booking directly, recovery from the pandemic will be much faster.

Maybe they should fix their websites and refund / cancellation policies. No one would mind booking directly from a hotel website if they offered the same price, convenience and guarantees that booking does.

Booking.com does nothing special, it is the hotels that charge your card, and pay a commission to Booking.com. The only thing is that they enforce some common policies. Hotels give power to the marketplaces and then Stockholm syndrome kicks in.

Re: Booking.com gives €28m in bonuses to three top execs; Took €65m in State aid

#178

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I saw people buying firearms with stimulus checks more than anything else. I saw a couple buy 2 identical $1300 handguns at once. They were joking about the stim checks. And annoyed they'd have to wait a week to pick up their purchases.

What's the problem with purchasing safety devices during unstable times?

The problem, of course, was that the poors were purchasing safety.

Re: Booking.com gives €28m in bonuses to three top execs; Took €65m in State aid

#179

Covid has got me thinking about the government’s role in social welfare. Providing social welfare through money allows for people to misallocate the money or skim off the top of the money. For the vast majority of people their covid stimulation money did not go into their pockets, it went to their landlord or their mortgage holder resulting in a massive wealth transfer from public funds to banks and those who own lan…

How much food and what quality? Do I get to ask for tomahawk steaks every meal and an extra one to bring home to my dog? Is everyone entitled to an avocado or just those that live close to an avocado farm? There is no easy answer to this and you bet a government mandated system would be heavily lobbied to include/exclude certain things. For housing, do you get to decide where you live? Or does the government set up a massive new settlement of block housing in the cheapest part of the country? Do I get to ask for an apartment close to my family or do they just add me to the next unit available?

We can argue about how many funds should be directed to certain programs, but SNAP and no taxes on food essentially is what you are suggesting while allowing for individual choice. Same for housing. The US basically gives your first house away for free which is part of the reason housing is so expensive.

Re: Booking.com gives €28m in bonuses to three top execs; Took €65m in State aid

#180

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Are we saying a rent payment is a “transfer of wealth”? I’m not invested in real estate, but I imagine many people in real estate were just as impacted. Don’t you likely need to pay towards a mortgage and put some aside for capital and day to day maintenance? Your comment is written as if a rent payment is a transfer from one person to directly to someone else’s savings account. I’m not convinced this is true.

The great recession resulted in the creation of Blackstone's Invitation Homes, which is the largest owner of single-family rental homes in the US. Homes that used to be owned and rented locally by individuals or small businesses are now rented and managed from elsewhere. Profits resulting from higher rents and cheaper maintenance flow to stock holders, creating bad incentives. These homes are no longer rotating into…

Ah, I moved into one of invitation homes a few years ago. Looked nice when we drove up, didn’t think about why all the windows were open when we signed paperwork.

Their negligence nearly killed my family, and left us with life long injuries.

The gas line was leaking natural gas, improper installation? the furnace and stove were emoting lethal levels of carbon monoxide. Detector was defective.

A portion of the AC fell into the kids room. One wall got so hot it burned my wife. Only reason we didn’t die is smell was so bad we nearly always had all windows open.

At every stage they lied and did what they could to cover up problems.

I still recall spending an hour each morning trying to wake kids, not realizing we were all being poisoned.

Just last week they tried to settle the matter by paying back my deposit if I agreed to Silence, and gave up all legal claims.

https://lease.invitationhomes.com/homes/665-cranberry-ct-300...

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