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Booking.com gives €28m in bonuses to three top execs; Took €65m in State aid

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Re: Booking.com gives €28m in bonuses to three top execs; Took €65m in State aid

#91

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I'm not saying you're wrong when I say consider the following: if every individual had a bunch of free money and decided to not work, then the next day they drive to the store and there is no one working... what do they do? Didn't you just cause a ton of inflation? At the end of the day, money doesn't solve problems. Work being done solves problems. How that should affect policy... I have no idea but I can see both s…

Or businesses can increase their unlivable wages. I am certainly willing to pay 30 cents more for my Big Mac so that the employee gets $15/h instead of 8

Isn't this mainly a game theory problem? If you don't force a minimum wage, then competitors will undercut each other.

As much as we like to believe WE would go to the "more ethical place", unless the average person did then ultimately the undercutter will win. Now real life is not that black and white obviously. Costco pays a pretty decent wage allegedly but they make up for it in creative ways (like having the warehouse also be the storefront).

Re: Booking.com gives €28m in bonuses to three top execs; Took €65m in State aid

#92
It seems that most of that €28M was "mostly" paid out in "shares": iow, minimal cash was transferred. That may make it both better or worse for everyone else at Booking.com (if shares go back in value as travel gets reinstated, it will effectively be more than that), but the aid itself was not used to cover these bonuses. Basically, Booking.com shareholders have redistributed their shares to a couple of employees.

If, otoh, Booking.com goes bust, the value of these bonuses would plummet. If they attempted to cash in, it's likely value would go down too.

Not going into the moral background of this, but the title and comments here were misleading to me.

Re: Booking.com gives €28m in bonuses to three top execs; Took €65m in State aid

#93

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Not rich here. Wife's company got COVID loans. They were forgiven. Company had to prove money was spent on rent, salaries, benefits. Company didn't make money on it. Employees were able to keep their jobs. No bonuses involved there.

Yes, and what did those employees who would have otherwise been unemployed spend their money on? Likely rent was the #1 item, thus transferring wealth from tax dollars to asset holders.

I'm sure the employees would much rather have been laid off to stick it to the asset holders.

Re: Booking.com gives €28m in bonuses to three top execs; Took €65m in State aid

#94

The real error here is public money being given to private companies. Let them break Fund people, not companies

>Fund people, not companies

People work at companies. Letting productive assets fail due to ignorance and jealously does not help people.

Re: Booking.com gives €28m in bonuses to three top execs; Took €65m in State aid

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Imho, the main error is that they gave away the money unconditionally. The fact that the particular government didn't foresee this outcome is quite astonishing.

The reasonable short notice caused the government to decide the lesser of evils: allow some abuse to help most, (un)fortunately this exposes the excesses. Booking.com "decided" to not take part in the second round three months later mainly due to the legal work being well enough established and in place to force the company to forgo any firing of people and any bonuses to executives. Yes an error, but as always there…

True, but there were way to to help very quickly while mitigating some risks, and some of this is probably philosophical, really.

If I give your company a 10mm check, or 10mm in payroll tax relief, it's the same to your bottom line. The latter goes a long way to making sure it's applied to keeping people employed if that's your actual goal (which may or may not be your stated goal).

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Directly via bailouts and indirectly via inflation, COVID was the biggest wealth transfer to the rich in history.

How does inflation help the rich? Doesn't that devalue their net worth?

yes, most rich people can get good loans with low rate during this time, as inflation goes up, the value of asset that they bought with loan goes up and debt value goes down, so the get richer twice again that is why for example bill gates became biggest land owner during covid, I guess he bought lots of land with cheap loans

Re: Booking.com gives €28m in bonuses to three top execs; Took €65m in State aid

#97
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Directly via bailouts and indirectly via inflation, COVID was the biggest wealth transfer to the rich in history.

I saw people buying firearms with stimulus checks more than anything else. I saw a couple buy 2 identical $1300 handguns at once. They were joking about the stim checks. And annoyed they'd have to wait a week to pick up their purchases.

Perhaps they were hedging on what direction everything was going to go. I stocked up on everything but firearms thinking water and food would probably get me first.

Re: Booking.com gives €28m in bonuses to three top execs; Took €65m in State aid

#98
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Directly via bailouts and indirectly via inflation, COVID was the biggest wealth transfer to the rich in history.

How does inflation help the rich? Doesn't that devalue their net worth?

Net worth does not need to be kept in the form of paper currencies

Re: Booking.com gives €28m in bonuses to three top execs; Took €65m in State aid

#99

I'm surprised anyone is surprised. Here in the US we've spent several trillion dollars on Covid relief so far, and there's more to come. When you're dealing with a torrent of printed cash of this magnitude, there's of course going to be a lot of it that ends up in the wrong hands for the wrong reasons.

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Re: Booking.com gives €28m in bonuses to three top execs; Took €65m in State aid

#100

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>Fund people, not companies it depended. large corporation like Apple don't need the money but mom and pop shop that is forced to close during the peak should receive money. the sad thing is corporation that clearly can make it thur covid is receiving the largest amount like https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/0...

>mom and pop shop that is forced to close during the peak should receive money. No, they shouldn't. Don't give any money to any corporations, give all the money exclusively to people. If Mom and Pop run a business, they can get cash as humans to float their business, just like any human could. They could temporarily lay off all their staff (which is OK, because their staff are humans, and are also getting cash) There…

You force them to close if you want them to come back you have to keep them alive.
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