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Sandwell Bitcoin mine found stealing electricity

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Re: Sandwell Bitcoin mine found stealing electricity

#191
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Looking at the picture, they are using really old bitcoin ASIC miners from 2017. A profitability calculator I found says this Antminer S9 can get $948/year of income in exchange for $1,371 worth of electricity. That's a loss of $422/year. Obviously it's not profitable to use anymore, unless you are literally stealing electricity like these guys.

It seems like an ideal way to use excess energy in grid-tied solar setups where the energy company is not incentivized to buy excess power. Or for non-grid tied solar when your batteries are full.

Re: Sandwell Bitcoin mine found stealing electricity

#192
post #146

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Not just electrical rate, also what you do with the waste heat. I know at least one person who is heating his garage. Mining bitcoin is cheaper than an electric heater for the same task. A heat pump would probably be more cost effective in the long run, but I didn't tell him that.

Yeah, during the winter I mine on my video card because I'm basically just swapping some of my natural gas heat out for a few hundred watts of electric heat and my electricity is primarily provided by nuclear and hydro. Kind of weird to think of mining as a way to reduce your carbon emissions but in some cases it certainly can be. I'll definitely look more into heatpumps when it comes time to replace my furnace or ai…

Mitsubishi has heat pumps that maintain 100% heating capacity down to 23℉ (-5℃), and 76% down to -13℉ (-25℃). Fujitsu has similar technology.

Re: Sandwell Bitcoin mine found stealing electricity

#193
post #189

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> A heat pump would probably be more cost effective in the long run, but I didn't tell him that. Last I checked, heat pumps didn't produce assets of potentially increasing value as a side effect of moving heat around.

Last time I checked Bitcoin was a speculation madness. https://henvic.dev/posts/bitcoin/

How does that come close to refuting the fact that using a Bitcoin miner as heating device also gives you Bitcoins, which the comment you replied to outlined?

Re: Sandwell Bitcoin mine found stealing electricity

#194
post #187

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> A heat pump would probably be more cost effective in the long run, but I didn't tell him that. Last I checked, heat pumps didn't produce assets of potentially increasing value as a side effect of moving heat around.

You could always buy Bitcoin with the money you saved

Since we're talking about efficiency, that'd be less efficient than just getting Bitcoins straight up.

Re: Sandwell Bitcoin mine found stealing electricity

#195
post #42

Looking at the picture, they are using really old bitcoin ASIC miners from 2017. A profitability calculator I found says this Antminer S9 can get $948/year of income in exchange for $1,371 worth of electricity. That's a loss of $422/year. Obviously it's not profitable to use anymore, unless you are literally stealing electricity like these guys.

It seems like an ideal way to use excess energy in grid-tied solar setups where the energy company is not incentivized to buy excess power. Or for non-grid tied solar when your batteries are full.

As opposed to storing it?

Re: Sandwell Bitcoin mine found stealing electricity

#196
post #42

Looking at the picture, they are using really old bitcoin ASIC miners from 2017. A profitability calculator I found says this Antminer S9 can get $948/year of income in exchange for $1,371 worth of electricity. That's a loss of $422/year. Obviously it's not profitable to use anymore, unless you are literally stealing electricity like these guys.

Would be way more profitable if they figured out some way to re-sell what electricity they stole...

Re: Sandwell Bitcoin mine found stealing electricity

#197

Based on heat and people coming and going, police assumed it was a cannabis farm . Based on that incorrect conclusion, they raided the place. Flimsy evidence.

Lots of traffic to a flat, neighbours complaining. Police suspect a cocaine dealer and raid the place. However : the dealer was selling heroine. Flimsy evidence?

The 'ol switcheroo.

Re: Sandwell Bitcoin mine found stealing electricity

#198
post #56

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That website was using a electrical rate of USD 12c per kWh, which is already on the low side. I think most electricity The break-even point is 8c per kWh. But there will be other overheads, so you probably need 6c per kWh to actually make a profit. Such prices most be possible to obtain in a few oil rich countries like Saudi Arabia and Iraq.

You can routinely get ~2 c kWh in Chicago: https://hourlypricing.comed.com/

That's amazing. When I lived in Chicago in the 1990s the rates were some of the highest in the country, ~$0.11 or so at that time.

Hourly rates/smart meters were not yet available to consumers (commercial customers could get different plans, IIRC).

Re: Sandwell Bitcoin mine found stealing electricity

#199
post #187

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> A heat pump would probably be more cost effective in the long run, but I didn't tell him that. Last I checked, heat pumps didn't produce assets of potentially increasing value as a side effect of moving heat around.

You could always buy Bitcoin with the money you saved

Except you can purchase anonymity-preferred things more anonymously with the cryptocurrency you mined yourself...

Re: Sandwell Bitcoin mine found stealing electricity

#200

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It seems like an ideal way to use excess energy in grid-tied solar setups where the energy company is not incentivized to buy excess power. Or for non-grid tied solar when your batteries are full.

As opposed to storing it?

Ideally you'd store it, but if your system is sized for the short days of winter, you may have excess energy in the summer that you cannot store once your batteries are full.
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