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Had Covid? You’ll probably make antibodies for a lifetime

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Re: Had Covid? You’ll probably make antibodies for a lifetime

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Post by mantismd »

D13Fd wrote: post #136
heyflyguy wrote: post #40

I am being shunned by my family because of my lack of interest in the vaccine. I've had COVID and recovered. I also don't get a flu shot each year. I really like not putting things into my body, especially when year after year I may or may not "catch" these things but if I do, I always recover. I act responsibly and do not go out when I am sick. However, none of these facts or articles such as this will ever effectiv…

This position is selfish. Covid is very often asymptomatic but still spreads. There is no way you can know that you haven't had it again, haven't spread it to others, and won't continue to do so without a vaccine. And while it may be asymptomatic for you, you can still spread it to others who it will be very symptomatic for - including others who have been diligent and have taken the vaccine. You can kill people with…

Asymptotic transmission has been proven to be negligible and non-issue.

Re: Had Covid? You’ll probably make antibodies for a lifetime

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Post by willcipriano »

Accacin wrote: post #114
skrowl wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's strange how the same people who scream "TRUST THE SCIENCE" the loudest seem to ignore your body naturally producing antibodies to Covid after you've been infected and recovered. You simply don't need a vaccine to help your body produce antibodies if you already have them. Not just for covid 19 but for anything. Don't let anyone shame you or pressure you into getting a vaccine that you're not comfortable getting.

What's your area of expertise regarding antibodies? I'm quite happy admitting that I do not know anything other than the basics and trust in experts in their respective fields instead.

I don't trust anyone without running a skeptical eye over their claims. Blind faith in authority is authoritarianism manifest.

Re: Had Covid? You’ll probably make antibodies for a lifetime

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Post by MrBuddyCasino »

BillyTheKing wrote: post #82
MrBuddyCasino wrote: post #21

I know two people who had covid and who right now have a second covid infection by the british mutation. One of them also had their first vaccination.

the crucial bit of information is missing here.. we'll never get rid of covid, but was the second infection less severe than the initial one? or did both of those people have to visit the hospital twice

2nd much more severe, ongoing

Re: Had Covid? You’ll probably make antibodies for a lifetime

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Post by cylinder714 »

DennisP wrote: post #139
beiller wrote: post #111

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There was also the Seychelles data point which had the highest vaccinated rate and then had a large outbreak after.

Which vaccine did they use? The CDC says the strongest evidence for preventing spread is for the mRNA vaccines.

The vaccine produced by China's Sinopharm company:

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=sinopharm+seychelles&t=fpas&ia=web

Re: Had Covid? You’ll probably make antibodies for a lifetime

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Post by jhayward »

rsj_hn wrote: post #92
jf22 wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>given that the immunity you get from having the disease is always better than what you'd get from a vaccine This is false. Stop spreading misinformation.

Stop spreading misinformation. My comment was not false, and in fact is quite obvious. e.g. from https://www.michigan.gov/documents/mdch/Waiver_Ed_Natural_Im... "It is true that natural infection almost always causes better immunity than vaccines."

Your comment was indeed false, and many many studies have been done to compare natural vs vaccine immunity. Vaccination with a highly effective vaccine, e.g. Moderna or Phizer/BNT yield higher antibody response, and are more protective against variants in study after study.

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Post by MrBuddyCasino »

mumblemumble wrote: post #110
MrBuddyCasino wrote: post #21

I know two people who had covid and who right now have a second covid infection by the british mutation. One of them also had their first vaccination.

This seems like one of those situations where we all need to be saying "The plural of anecdote is not data" on the rosary every morning. Assume, for the sake of argument, that prior infection reduces your risk of future infection by 95%. That's a far sight better than most the vaccines, enough so that a 2nd infection would be noteworthy on a personal level. But then, since this is an Internet forum, we need to throw…

its a young healthy couple, 2nd infection ongoing and much more severe

Re: Had Covid? You’ll probably make antibodies for a lifetime

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Post by AifVI »

heyflyguy wrote: post #40

I am being shunned by my family because of my lack of interest in the vaccine. I've had COVID and recovered. I also don't get a flu shot each year. I really like not putting things into my body, especially when year after year I may or may not "catch" these things but if I do, I always recover. I act responsibly and do not go out when I am sick. However, none of these facts or articles such as this will ever effectiv…

Your comment history shows your aversion to "putting things into my body" doesn't extend to MDMA.

I'd suggest that taking the COVID-19 vaccine to help save our economy from a global pandemic, and to protect your family, has a better risk/reward ratio than taking recreational narcotics for a fun weekend.

Re: Had Covid? You’ll probably make antibodies for a lifetime

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Post by MrBuddyCasino »

struxure wrote: post #56
MrBuddyCasino wrote: post #21

I know two people who had covid and who right now have a second covid infection by the british mutation. One of them also had their first vaccination.

It may happen, also it is worth to notice that the immunity should form after the second vaccine

not true, the 2nd shot is for long-term immunity

tho the vaccination was less than ten days in the past, so it might not have been active yet

Re: Had Covid? You’ll probably make antibodies for a lifetime

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Post by Paradigma11 »

peteradio wrote: post #60
mehphp wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But you _did_ catch covid so being careful isn't always enough. I don't think it's emotional or unreasonable for your family to require the vaccine before you visit. Also, I'm not suggesting that you will "kill everyone" by not getting the vaccine, but it really isn't just about you and that you personally will probably recover. Do you think it's a reasonable thing for most people to take your stance and not get vacc…

Vaccinate the high risk people then.

Many high risk ppl cant get vaccinated, because they are, well, high risk.

Re: Had Covid? You’ll probably make antibodies for a lifetime

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Post by jhayward »

toolz wrote: post #41
MrBuddyCasino wrote: post #21

I know two people who had covid and who right now have a second covid infection by the british mutation. One of them also had their first vaccination.

unfortunately the false positives with our PCR testing is abysmal - in the US the CDC recommended cycle thresholds of >40 to signify a true positive. That is beyond insane - with the flu we recognize false positives are likely after just a CT of 23! Your friends likely got sick twice, maybe once from covid and PCR tested positive twice. This is what the current literature understands - it's not impossible that you're…

> unfortunately the false positives with our PCR testing is abysmal

This is nonsense. The vast, vast majority of positive PCR tests are positive after < 30 cycles.

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