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Had Covid? You’ll probably make antibodies for a lifetime

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Re: Had Covid? You’ll probably make antibodies for a lifetime

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nednar wrote: post #44
heyflyguy wrote: post #40

I am being shunned by my family because of my lack of interest in the vaccine. I've had COVID and recovered. I also don't get a flu shot each year. I really like not putting things into my body, especially when year after year I may or may not "catch" these things but if I do, I always recover. I act responsibly and do not go out when I am sick. However, none of these facts or articles such as this will ever effectiv…

Who said after recovery you need vaccine? Probably you just need to share official documentation from your government and official health body with your family. Afaik, recovered and vaccinated are treated the same currently.

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Re: Had Covid? You’ll probably make antibodies for a lifetime

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Post by BillyTheKing »

MrBuddyCasino wrote: post #21

I know two people who had covid and who right now have a second covid infection by the british mutation. One of them also had their first vaccination.

the crucial bit of information is missing here.. we'll never get rid of covid, but was the second infection less severe than the initial one? or did both of those people have to visit the hospital twice

Re: Had Covid? You’ll probably make antibodies for a lifetime

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Post by jf22 »

rsj_hn wrote: post #74
mehphp wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But you _did_ catch covid so being careful isn't always enough. I don't think it's emotional or unreasonable for your family to require the vaccine before you visit. Also, I'm not suggesting that you will "kill everyone" by not getting the vaccine, but it really isn't just about you and that you personally will probably recover. Do you think it's a reasonable thing for most people to take your stance and not get vacc…

> Do you think it's a reasonable thing for most people to take your stance and not get vaccinated? As with any other disease, it is reasonable (and expected) for everyone who had covid to not get vaccinated, given that the immunity you get from having the disease is always better than what you'd get from a vaccine. That this is even considered controversial by some people just goes to show you how far our science edu…

>given that the immunity you get from having the disease is always better than what you'd get from a vaccine

This is false. Stop spreading misinformation.

Re: Had Covid? You’ll probably make antibodies for a lifetime

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Post by ctdonath »

nednar wrote: post #44
heyflyguy wrote: post #40

I am being shunned by my family because of my lack of interest in the vaccine. I've had COVID and recovered. I also don't get a flu shot each year. I really like not putting things into my body, especially when year after year I may or may not "catch" these things but if I do, I always recover. I act responsibly and do not go out when I am sick. However, none of these facts or articles such as this will ever effectiv…

Who said after recovery you need vaccine? Probably you just need to share official documentation from your government and official health body with your family. Afaik, recovered and vaccinated are treated the same currently.

The broadly-accepted imperative requirement is "vaccinated", as in "do not enter without a mask/etc unless you have been fully vaccinated". There is never a reference to "inoculated" (to wit vaccinated or had Covid and recovered).

Furthermore, there may not be "official documentation from your gov't and official health body". I was tested & 'treated', but my wife had exactly the same symptoms & recovery without bothering with doctors (seriously, it was really mild), so there is no documentation and no apparent process to procure such documentation.

"Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic." Seems that, to most people, Covid & vaccines are magic: the disease is perceived little differently from evil spirits (sparing some and slaying others, with nothing corporeal to perceive & avoid), and the vaccine is a tangible talisman mysteriously able to ward off such spirits (by a mere prick from a costumed wizard wielding magic potions). This leaves most people, unable to really grasp the objective mechanism of vaccination (being a simulation of actual infection, to teach the body to fight it off), with the only objectively perceivable act they can grasp in the issue: vaccine injection. Hence many dismiss the near-spiritual notion of "I contracted it, survived, and am now immune - without intervention by wizards". Thus, to present it a bit over-the-top, recovered and vaccinated are not treated the same by those not professionally involved in medicine.

Re: Had Covid? You’ll probably make antibodies for a lifetime

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Post by exotree »

heyflyguy wrote: post #40

I am being shunned by my family because of my lack of interest in the vaccine. I've had COVID and recovered. I also don't get a flu shot each year. I really like not putting things into my body, especially when year after year I may or may not "catch" these things but if I do, I always recover. I act responsibly and do not go out when I am sick. However, none of these facts or articles such as this will ever effectiv…

Things are being put into your body with or without your knowledge. You had no idea if you were infectious with COVID for up to 14 days possibly, so it doesn’t matter if you didn’t go out when you “felt sick.” You may feel like your being responsible, but that does not mean you feeling that way actually means you are being that way.

Over 500,000 people have died. Awesome. You recovered. A lot of other people didn’t. I wouldn’t be so confident you’ll always recover. And it’s possible that you’ll infect folks who can’t recover along the way, because of your “lack of interest.”

Re: Had Covid? You’ll probably make antibodies for a lifetime

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Post by seren »

From my understanding if you had an mRNA vaccine, your body was only exposed to an artificial spike protein, so effectively you have spike specific antibodies.

On the other hand, if you had a real infection by the virus, you likely have antibodies for the spike protein and other part of the virus like the shell. So from my layman understanding, the immunity should be more resistant to a mutation of the spike protein.

That being said I also know someone who got Covid 2 times, once in march 2020 and once in april 2021. (Confirmed by PCR the 2 times). The second time was much milder, but still she had to stop working for a week (versus one month the first time). It is still possible it was a defective test the second time, and something else than Covid.

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Post by camgunz »

DennisP wrote: post #61
heyflyguy wrote: post #40

I am being shunned by my family because of my lack of interest in the vaccine. I've had COVID and recovered. I also don't get a flu shot each year. I really like not putting things into my body, especially when year after year I may or may not "catch" these things but if I do, I always recover. I act responsibly and do not go out when I am sick. However, none of these facts or articles such as this will ever effectiv…

Until now, virologists had little evidence on whether having covid gives you lasting immunity or not. It seems possible that you're not giving your family enough credit. The reason that not going out when you're sick is an insufficient precaution for covid is that people spread the virus for several days before they get symptoms.

I agree with you, and would also point out the subtitle on the article says: "though viral variants could dampen some of the protection they offer".

Variants are the problem here, which is the case for all anti-vax arguments.

Re: Had Covid? You’ll probably make antibodies for a lifetime

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Post by rootusrootus »

andy_ppp wrote: post #24

Does anyone know if PCR tests will find out if you've had the virus, after you had the vaccine?

PCR, no, antibody tests do. E.g. if you give blood with the Red Cross right now, they will do a basic antibody test that will react if you have had COVID or if you have been vaccinated. If you test positive for that, they do a second test that will only react if you have been exposed to the real virus.

Re: Had Covid? You’ll probably make antibodies for a lifetime

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Post by ctdonath »

JPKab wrote: post #68
heyflyguy wrote: post #40

I am being shunned by my family because of my lack of interest in the vaccine. I've had COVID and recovered. I also don't get a flu shot each year. I really like not putting things into my body, especially when year after year I may or may not "catch" these things but if I do, I always recover. I act responsibly and do not go out when I am sick. However, none of these facts or articles such as this will ever effectiv…

I'm in a pretty weird position right now myself. I caught it in mid-February with mild symptoms basically just loss of smell. I have very high antibodies and my physician actually recommended that I hold off on getting the vaccine. Unfortunately, I have several co-workers who refuse to attend a picnic if I'm there. All of them are vaccinated which indicates to me that there is no logic and simply a demand that I adhe…

"Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic." Yeah, Covid vaccination has achieved religious fervor among many.
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