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The media's lab leak fiasco

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Re: The media's lab leak fiasco

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I've had COVID, and this is why I will not get vaccinated, despite CDC recommendations. It's very creepy how they've buried treatments and promoted experimental vaccines.

Why won’t you get a vaccine?

I think GPs point is that if you were optimizing for the best health outcomes, you wouldn't demonize promising, or at least benign, non-vaccine treatments. Doing so makes it seem like the vaccine push is optimizing for something else.

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I'm generally in favour of the actions taken against misinformation but this situation surprises me. Lab leak always seemed plausible and non-crazy even if you think the odds are against it. I don't envy the task of making a call on any of this stuff.

If we accept that taking action against misinformation is good, then this sort of mistake will inevitably happen. If you're in favor of taking action against misinformation, then you should be willing to accept this situation as an acceptable failure. I'm not willing to accept that.

Less misinformation than disinformation, if you look at Daszak's aggressive attempts to control the media narrative (see Lancet article for instance)

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We haven't found an animal host for SARS-CoV-2 yet, after more than 12 months. It took six months to find an animal host for SARS and less than a year for MERS. The incentive for the Chinese government to find a SARS-CoV-2 animal host is much much higher than for either of those viruses. Failure to find the host is not proof of lab origin, but the longer the search goes on unsuccessfully, the more the probabilities s…

> No, it was not the correct call, because it means that possibility was not investigated when it should have been. Wuhan is in China, and the government there is relatively unfazed by social media excitement in other countries. It would not have changed a thing. In early 2020, literally the only thing the story had going for it was that it was more exciting than the alternative, and that it made China look bad. That…

How about exonerating the lab before the facts were in, was that OK or not?

Re: The media's lab leak fiasco

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This article encapsulates the problem with modern media. Yglesias spends a large portion of the article debating the finer points of Tom Cotton's take on the lab leak theory.

As if a junior senator from Arkansas, who's not on any relevant committees (aside from maybe intelligence) is some kinda Rosetta Stone for understanding the media's lack of pushback on the lab leak denials from China and the WHO.

Yglesias labels senator Cotton a "China Hawk," as if that's enough for the story to live and die on his thoughts and quotes. To examine the lab leak hypothesis through the lens of a Republican senator under the pretext of blaming the senator for the media's assessment of a possible lab leak, turns this article into just another liberal think piece masquerading as objective journalism with irrelevant timelines and a puffed up word count.

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>In the intelligence community What do you mean by this? And I'm not being snarky, really.

The US "intelligence community" is the CIA, NSA, etc.[1] Intelligence analysis is the business of trying to extract useful info from of noisy and deceptive data. Here's an introduction to the field.[2] See especially section 4. 4-11. Analyst have found the following rules helpful in dealing with deception: - Avoid over-reliance on a single source of information. - Seek and heed the opinions of those closest to the re…

I wasnt't familiar with the term, thank you!

Re: The media's lab leak fiasco

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https://twitter.com/sentomcotton/status/1229202139232292866 He speculated that it could have been a bioweapon that was accidentally or deliberately released. You and I can speculate on twitter but a US senator should keep his trap shut on social media.

I guess I'm not seeing the problem with those tweets? I mean, he lists four options, and identifies natural release as the most likely and intentional release as very unlikely. And it's expressed clearly, in full sentences. By the standards of republican politicians on twitter, that's actually pretty good.

"By the standards of republican politicians" is a low bar and also a relevant topic. Cotton was more careful with his words than a lot of his comrades but he was very tightly allied with people (like Trump himself) who were well known for spouting complete horseshit. Cotton also did himself no favors when he was one of 6 senators to vote against protection for Asian-American victims of hate crimes.

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Here is Sarah Palin actually making that claim on CBS. Not in those hilarious words but really and in fact. It's like 2 minutes long. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nokTjEdaUGg The fine people on both sides was truly as horrific as it was made out to be. They had a torchlight nazi parade where they chanted jews will not replace us and they murdered people. Here is a pic of people flying as they were hit by a car. ht…

The grandparent didn't say nothing bad happened at the protest, they said that Trump's comments were taken out of context, which is completely true. Read the thing in context (here: https://www.politifact.com/article/2019/apr/26/context-trump... ) and it's clear that he's not defending white supremacists or anything of that sort.

The context was reported at the time and it still means exactly what people think it means. Here's his attempt to clarify

"I was talking about people that went because they felt very strongly about the monument to Robert E. Lee, a great general. "

Trump knows full well that this is a lie. No one was there because Lee was so great of a general and they love military tactics. They were there because he fought to protect slavery. There was absolutely no "both sides" about anything. In context he's still saying protestors were as much to blame as the counter protest and the counter protest had as much validity to their complaint as the protestors. These is exactly what everyone took his meaning and all the context and clarification make it very clear that he meant murdering racists are the same as peaceful protestors against violence.

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There is zero disguising the intent of your comment. The bit about Pelosi "dancing" was particularly telling. There are a number of other replies that come straight from MAGA-verse, full of outrageous lies but that is where US politics are right now. The US had a catastrophically poor response under the prior administration. That wasn't because of the media. It wasn't because of Nancy Pelosi. It wasn't because people…

Your unconditional hatred is showing.

It is very conditional. I make no bones about the fact that I absolutely despise the cult of stupidity that has afflicted the United States. It is the downfall of the nation. There is a paradox that the "MAGA" crowd is the greatest setback to US achievement in centuries and still will likely destroy the country within the decade.

So yeah, I _hate_ those people with every fiber of my being. It is hilarious that this thread is full of pearl clutchers who gasp and groan about how unfair this is, they're just patrons of the truth and non-partisan fairness...and then you look at their history, and they are precisely what you expected them to be. Antiscience cretins who put forth the most absurdly disingenuous nonsense purely for an audience of other cultists.

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