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The rise of crypto laundries: how criminals cash out of Bitcoin

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Re: The rise of crypto laundries: how criminals cash out of Bitcoin

#11

Every dollar bill in your wallet has trace amounts of cocaine on it. They probably spent some time tucked in some dancers g-string too. All money is "dirty". It's just a question of how many times it needs to trade hands before we collectively agree to treat it as "clean" again.

uhhhhh ... that's not what they're talking about. nobody really cares about cocaine and pubes on dollar bills.

I care

Re: The rise of crypto laundries: how criminals cash out of Bitcoin

#12

Every dollar bill in your wallet has trace amounts of cocaine on it. They probably spent some time tucked in some dancers g-string too. All money is "dirty". It's just a question of how many times it needs to trade hands before we collectively agree to treat it as "clean" again.

Neither of the things you’ve described make money dirty. Just because a dollar bill comes into contact with cocaine (often in cash sorting machines in banks), it doesn’t mean that it is the proceeds of crime.

Re: The rise of crypto laundries: how criminals cash out of Bitcoin

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I can tell one of the ways that is missing in the article.

Let's say, you have a lot of Bitcoins and your buddy is a bitcoin miner. You craft your transaction such a way that you put all your coins as transaction fee. You send your transaction only to your buddy. Your buddy picks it up and solves the puzzle afterwards. Fees will be converted to brand new coins.

Re: The rise of crypto laundries: how criminals cash out of Bitcoin

#14
I get that money laundering is always linked to criminal activity, but how have we always just accepted the lack of personal privacy when it comes to finance? Privacy is a feature, not a bug; and whilst crypto may not be the way forward, I hope one day we can reach a solution that has both privacy and also safety. The language used by law enforcement is quite alarming, it suggests that they should be privy to ALL transactions made, regardless of reasonable suspicion.

Re: The rise of crypto laundries: how criminals cash out of Bitcoin

#16

I think I've read more stories on bitcoin laundries than actual laundries... suprising given how long it has been around.

Here’s a little story to help balance the ratio

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.vogue.co.uk/fashion/article...

Re: The rise of crypto laundries: how criminals cash out of Bitcoin

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post #13

I can tell one of the ways that is missing in the article. Let's say, you have a lot of Bitcoins and your buddy is a bitcoin miner. You craft your transaction such a way that you put all your coins as transaction fee. You send your transaction only to your buddy. Your buddy picks it up and solves the puzzle afterwards. Fees will be converted to brand new coins.

Is it possible to send out transactions without sending them to the mempool?

Re: The rise of crypto laundries: how criminals cash out of Bitcoin

#19

Probably easier for any serious criminal to just deal in cash and make deposits at the big banks, they have a long history of taking cartel money.

Depends on the country. Definitely in the UK if you make a lot of large cash transactions without a good business reason, you'll get scrutiny.

This is one of the reasons that common fronts for crime are companies that would be expected to handle a lot of cash :)

Also the major advantage of cryptocurencies in crime is their international nature. It means I can sit in a country that has no extradition treaty with the places I'm doing crime, safe in the knowledge that I won't be touched, as long as I'm careful who I target.

Re: The rise of crypto laundries: how criminals cash out of Bitcoin

#20

Probably easier for any serious criminal to just deal in cash and make deposits at the big banks, they have a long history of taking cartel money.

But cash isn't that useful if you're holding a company to ransom on the other side of the world. And normal bank transfers are very traceable. Banks need to report any transactions greater than $10K (or a series of smaller transactions that make up $10K). The consequences of a bank not reporting far exceed any profit they would make from it.

I think the GP was specifically referring to HSBC which has been known to evade its responsibilities in this regard.
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