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Citizen’s dangerous effort to cash in on vigilantism

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Re: Citizen’s dangerous effort to cash in on vigilantism

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And companies like this will continue on, making the world worse for everyone. Including you. This cannot be changed by changing yourself.

I’m old enough to gave seen many such juggernauts collapse when enough individuals decided to change themselves.

Such as?

Re: Citizen’s dangerous effort to cash in on vigilantism

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I don't use Nextdoor or the Neighbors app but I get the impression that they work in a similar fashion - get the worried people in the area all worked up about every little thing - keep them thinking they are under constant threat.

I have a Ring and the Neighbors app. 99% of the "incidents" are people sharing the coyote or fox in their yard, scared about the "rabid wolf" in their yard. Meanwhile we've actually had a murder, bank robbery and dead body found in a park in the last 3 months, and only a quick bleep about any of those incidents. The app, or rather the "community" behind it, is worthless for any "news" or public safety alerts. If it w…

Our local Nextdoor is similar. Someone called 911 on a deer. When he was asked "It's a deer, why did you call 911?" he stated a charging deer could easily kill a child. Which is something that while technically true, deer only tend to kill people when it involves vehicle accidents (car strikes deer) - not because a deer trampled am unsupervised toddler.

Re: Citizen’s dangerous effort to cash in on vigilantism

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In case people are missing the broader point of the article, beyond the horrifying incident at the beginning: "The whole idea behind Protect is that you could convince people to pay for the product once you’ve gotten them to the highest point of anxiety you can possibly get them to," one former employee said, referring to Citizen's subscription service. "Citizen can’t make money unless it makes its users believe ther…

This implied diagnosis is very similar to Bowling for Columbine's thesis about the news in America, its hunger for sensationalism and viewers making it amplify the perception of threat so that people felt they needed to be armed.

Re: Citizen’s dangerous effort to cash in on vigilantism

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In case people are missing the broader point of the article, beyond the horrifying incident at the beginning: "The whole idea behind Protect is that you could convince people to pay for the product once you’ve gotten them to the highest point of anxiety you can possibly get them to," one former employee said, referring to Citizen's subscription service. "Citizen can’t make money unless it makes its users believe ther…

I don't use Nextdoor or the Neighbors app but I get the impression that they work in a similar fashion - get the worried people in the area all worked up about every little thing - keep them thinking they are under constant threat.

Holy cow, the single biggest benefit to Nextdoor? Learning which of your neighbors are racist or otherwise ... problematic.

"Suspicious person on Elm Street, lock your cars!" is usually thinly veiled "I saw someone black walking their dog".

It's horrific at times.

Re: Citizen’s dangerous effort to cash in on vigilantism

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It's crazy watching the world turn into a dystopia and being powerless to stop it. It not just about this company. If they fail another will replace it. Society seems to be on a convergent path with dystopian scifi. This, Chicago police automated policing program (detects crime before it happenes and actually hurt innocent people), racially biased facial recognition. I read an article today about some DNA software be…

> This, Chicago police automated policing program (detects crime before it happenes and actually hurt innocent people) One of the worst things I've seen was posted here on HN[1] almost a year ago. It's an in-depth report on a similar program to Chicago's, but in Florida. There was a companion article[2] with videos from the program, and it's just horrifying. It shows several videos taken from body cameras of police o…

Thanks for bringing this up. That investigation was horrific.

And, no doubt, has lead to absolutely nothing changing there.

Re: Citizen’s dangerous effort to cash in on vigilantism

#186
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> In Slack messages viewed by Motherboard, Frame calls ProtectOS, the system Citizen uses to create incidents and push them out to users, "the most powerful operating system ever created." Sounds like the fictional CTOS from the Watch_Dogs games.

It's shocking how little self-awareness (or empathy) one must have to know this and not change the name immediately.

Re: Citizen’s dangerous effort to cash in on vigilantism

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In case people are missing the broader point of the article, beyond the horrifying incident at the beginning: "The whole idea behind Protect is that you could convince people to pay for the product once you’ve gotten them to the highest point of anxiety you can possibly get them to," one former employee said, referring to Citizen's subscription service. "Citizen can’t make money unless it makes its users believe ther…

I don't use Nextdoor or the Neighbors app but I get the impression that they work in a similar fashion - get the worried people in the area all worked up about every little thing - keep them thinking they are under constant threat.

This is 100% the NextDoor model. They hype up crime reports and sell adverts for ADT on the other hand.

Re: Citizen’s dangerous effort to cash in on vigilantism

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Everything is "BREAKING NEWS" these days, complete with fancy graphics and soundtracks. But there just isn't enough news day-to-day to warrant that level of importance. Not everyday is 9/11, much to news outlets' dismay.

I agree, I watched the weather channel with my father in law yesterday... Everything was "THREAT!" and "POSSIBLE TORNADO", etc. This is being shown in Southern California lol and they are reporting on minor weather risks a thousand miles away. Fox news does the same thing... Find crime anywhere in the country, bonus points if it involves sex or a minority and make it a headline if it involves an immigrant.

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Re: Citizen’s dangerous effort to cash in on vigilantism

#189

> Citizen does moderate comments, but "two people having an argument about whether or not someone’s comment is racist drives engagement," LOL, my publicist does this on linkedin and other places for us because people are gullible. Source article: Executive of does a thing 0 engagement, nobody knows Social Media version: [First] Executive of does a thing 15,000 comments, 2 million reach, supporters and detractors argu…

This is the 3rd Citizen headline I've seen since yesterday. I'd say their publicist is doing a top notch job of driving engagement through outrage to spread name recognition.

I'm a hypocrite for commenting, but it would be nice if we didn't let engagement bait like this stay on the front page this long.

Re: Citizen’s dangerous effort to cash in on vigilantism

#190

In case people are missing the broader point of the article, beyond the horrifying incident at the beginning: "The whole idea behind Protect is that you could convince people to pay for the product once you’ve gotten them to the highest point of anxiety you can possibly get them to," one former employee said, referring to Citizen's subscription service. "Citizen can’t make money unless it makes its users believe ther…

The SLOs (senior lead officer) for various LA neighborhoods used to debunk a lot of the Citizen reports which got cross-posted to LA facebook groups. They stopped last year because it was just too much work, saying to just assume that anything you see on Citizen is fake unless you have external corroboration of the report from a non-Citizen source.
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