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Tesla loses U.S. designation for some advanced safety features

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Re: Tesla loses U.S. designation for some advanced safety features

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Post by GoOnThenDoTell »

takeda wrote: post #63
justaguy88 wrote: post #14

So if we were going to purchase one soon, should we instead wait for this to be fixed?

From what I understand they are transitioning from radar do vision only. The problem was that software engineers missed the deadline. They will provide that in a software update, it will be just a period of time for new Teslas where the feature is not available. There's no point to wait, since you will eventually get it in update, and if you want the radar you will have to buy used model. Personally I don't believe v…

Seems odd to buy a not-finished car

Re: Tesla loses U.S. designation for some advanced safety features

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Post by rootusrootus »

gauravphoenix wrote: post #58

>removing radar sensors to transition to a camera-based Autopilot system A few weeks back, I had a terrible experience while using auto pilot. I was driving on a highway (in CA) with autopilot engaged. For the most part, there was a concrete median on the highway. Suddenly, a section came with no concrete median and a new left only turn lane gets added. For whatever reasons, autopilot thought it is a great idea to su…

Yeah, it only takes a couple times of AP making really questionable, even exciting choices like you experienced to really sour someone on the technology. It's supposed to make your life easier, but then it makes an attempt to kill you. Hard to get used to that.

Re: Tesla loses U.S. designation for some advanced safety features

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Post by wombatmobile »

gauravphoenix wrote: post #58

>removing radar sensors to transition to a camera-based Autopilot system A few weeks back, I had a terrible experience while using auto pilot. I was driving on a highway (in CA) with autopilot engaged. For the most part, there was a concrete median on the highway. Suddenly, a section came with no concrete median and a new left only turn lane gets added. For whatever reasons, autopilot thought it is a great idea to su…

What's meta disturbing about autopilot is the argument that it could save X lives a year, by cutting the road toll from Y down to Z.

For that statement to be a validation for legalising autopilot for open usage, the bar for Z needs to be a lot lower than Y. It needs to be zero or else we would be blessing fatal bugs.

Re: Tesla loses U.S. designation for some advanced safety features

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Post by everetm »

I'm amazed at how toxic the comments are and how many are mentioning people are going to be killed.

Have you seen how most Americans drive?

Makes sense that they did this with the chip shortages. I don't doubt that they can rely entirely on cameras and be way safer than most drivers on the road.

Looking forward to FSD release in 2030.

Re: Tesla loses U.S. designation for some advanced safety features

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Post by gauravphoenix »

dkonofalski wrote: post #91
gauravphoenix wrote: post #58

>removing radar sensors to transition to a camera-based Autopilot system A few weeks back, I had a terrible experience while using auto pilot. I was driving on a highway (in CA) with autopilot engaged. For the most part, there was a concrete median on the highway. Suddenly, a section came with no concrete median and a new left only turn lane gets added. For whatever reasons, autopilot thought it is a great idea to su…

I'm confused. If a new left-only turn lane was added, wouldn't it have steered you into that new lane? How did it steer you into oncoming traffic?

Nope. I was going straight and had no intention of turning at all anywhere. Just because a lane is getting added doesn't mean I want to move to that lane.

Re: Tesla loses U.S. designation for some advanced safety features

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Post by jdhn »

Lendal wrote: post #55

The irritating thing is it's all so unnecessary. My Tesla is a great car. But I paid an extra $10,000 for a feature that was promised but still hasn't been fully delivered, FSD. It feels like I paid extra for my awesome car to be sabotaged. What was promised by FSD was never going to be possible, and yet they are doubling down. They need to stop this idiocy. The vision system is horrible. The car stops at green light…

>But I paid an extra $10,000 for a feature that was promised but still hasn't been fully delivered

As far as I'm concerned, that $10k is basically an interest free loan to Tesla. FSD as promised by Elon is going to take decades, and the worst part is that it's not even transferable from one car to another.

Re: Tesla loses U.S. designation for some advanced safety features

#108

Post by Closi »

ghoward wrote: post #96
gauravphoenix wrote: post #58

>removing radar sensors to transition to a camera-based Autopilot system A few weeks back, I had a terrible experience while using auto pilot. I was driving on a highway (in CA) with autopilot engaged. For the most part, there was a concrete median on the highway. Suddenly, a section came with no concrete median and a new left only turn lane gets added. For whatever reasons, autopilot thought it is a great idea to su…

More people need to see your comment because there seems to be a belief that full self driving is just around the corner. However, IMO, it will never happen because it needs a full artificial general intelligence. In your case, the new lane was clearly marked, which just shows how weak the system really is. Imagine if there was snow covering the lane markings. Or sunlight reflecting off of the road confuses the visio…

> However, IMO, it will never happen because it needs a full artificial general intelligence.

I don’t think that’s true - but it certainly needs more than a couple of poor resolution cameras and some underpowered hardware powered by hype. You can see how poor the vision of these systems is by just watching a few Tesla autopilot videos and seeing cars flash into/out of recognition on the screen.

The first actual self driving car won’t be the one that does it with bargain basement hardware prioritising low cost over efficacy and safety.

Re: Tesla loses U.S. designation for some advanced safety features

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Post by dmm »

ghoward wrote: post #96
gauravphoenix wrote: post #58

>removing radar sensors to transition to a camera-based Autopilot system A few weeks back, I had a terrible experience while using auto pilot. I was driving on a highway (in CA) with autopilot engaged. For the most part, there was a concrete median on the highway. Suddenly, a section came with no concrete median and a new left only turn lane gets added. For whatever reasons, autopilot thought it is a great idea to su…

More people need to see your comment because there seems to be a belief that full self driving is just around the corner. However, IMO, it will never happen because it needs a full artificial general intelligence. In your case, the new lane was clearly marked, which just shows how weak the system really is. Imagine if there was snow covering the lane markings. Or sunlight reflecting off of the road confuses the visio…

> However, IMO, it will never happen because it needs a full artificial general intelligence.

I think it will happen but only by making many expensive, intrusive changes to our cities and roads to accommodate "self-driving" cars.

Re: Tesla loses U.S. designation for some advanced safety features

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Post by vb6sp6 »

gauravphoenix wrote: post #58

>removing radar sensors to transition to a camera-based Autopilot system A few weeks back, I had a terrible experience while using auto pilot. I was driving on a highway (in CA) with autopilot engaged. For the most part, there was a concrete median on the highway. Suddenly, a section came with no concrete median and a new left only turn lane gets added. For whatever reasons, autopilot thought it is a great idea to su…

Not to be a dick but why would you even enable it in the first place? I assume most people here are somewhat embedded in the tech world and you have probably seen or experienced bugs in software before. It seems a little crazy to me to turn on "beta" software and let it hurl me around the world at 70mph.
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