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Re: MDN Plus

#121
This is a neat idea, but unfortunately I'm not seeing anything super compelling in the premium features. Quality deep-dives exist elsewhere on the web. Browsers already have bookmarks. A customizable compatibility table just... doesn't sound useful.

I'll keep an eye on it, I hope they succeed, but I don't see many people paying for these features as they stand

Re: MDN Plus

#122
I wish they’d clarify if the money is used to support MDN or not. I wouldn’t be opposed to supporting MDN patreon style, and if it comes with “perks” like articles, sure, why not. But I would do this to support MDNs core documentation, not because I’m dying for technical deep dives.

That said $10/mo is a bit steep for me. And in any event, if they don’t make explicit that the money goes to support MDN upkeep and development then it’s a nonstarter. I’m not giving Mozilla money to fritter away on another rebrand or whatever else they want to use it for.

Re: MDN Plus

#123

I wasn't totally against this until I discovered the A/B testing thing with the subscription costs. Something about that stinks. Just name your price and I'll think about it, don't be shady about it.

The price for every subscription you have was likely A/B tested. It's very standard and not shady.

Subscription prices vary by all types of audiences for subscription-based models, test segments are just one of them, and one of the least shady in my opinion. It's a brand new product and they're gauging the right price.

Re: MDN Plus

#124
> Take MDN with you: Download MDN documentation and deep dives for access offline.

(Don’t tell anyone about wget!)

Re: MDN Plus

#125
post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I mean..aren't they doing exactly that?

They are naming different prices for different people. You walk into a bar and the guy in front of you orders a beer for $5. Looks good, so you order the same thing. The bartender says, "For you it's $10." Do you feel fairly treated?

This is already happening for literally everything that you buy. And no, I don't care whether someone else paid less or more than me for something or got it for free. If I don't think the price is fair then I'll say no and move on.

Re: MDN Plus

#126
post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As far as I understand, the MDN documenting the standard (HTML5, CSS, etc.) will stay freely accessible as it is. I prefer this than having trackers & ads on the site... which would be completely contrary to their values anyway.

> As far as I understand, the MDN documenting the standard (HTML5, CSS, etc.) will stay freely accessible as it is. For now. Once you let the monetization genie out of the bottle, Death by a Thousand MBA's is almost certain.

This false equivalence between MBA degrees and poor management really has to stop. It's a pretty bigoted take and I'm always disappointed to see that on HN, even though I half expect it coming into most threads these days.

Re: MDN Plus

#127
post #92

If EU really cared about privacy, EU would fully fund Mozilla.

Why would you want the government deciding who gets funds?

"The government" isn't deciding who gets funds. The EU has public funding programmes and grants and you can apply to them if you meet the requirements:

https://europa.eu/european-union/about-eu/funding-grants_en

https://ec.europa.eu/info/funding-tenders/find-funding/eu-fu...

I can't think of any programme that would work for Mozilla though, especially given they're a US-based for-profit company wrapped around a US-based non-profit.

The purpose of these programmes is typically to either contribute to regional development that is in the EU member states' interest, or to help implement policies the EU has passed. There are arguments to be made about how well the member states' (or their citizens') interests are represented in the EU's electoral structure, or how effective these programmes are in general, but saying this is "the government deciding who gets funds" is absurd.

Re: MDN Plus

#128
For 100 USD a year, You could buy about 10 - 15 courses on Udemy.com

And compliment it with free resources on the web.

I don't see the attraction of what Mozilla is providing.

Perhaps companies can have bulk subscriptions or they have some sort of revenue sharing deals with authors.

Re: MDN Plus

#129
post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They do: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MDN_Web_Docs https://opencollective.com/open-web-docs

If Mozilla is still having to do a paid option - MDN Plus - they are obviously not getting enough. Looks like around the price of one employee for the top funders. Unless Mozilla is suddenly operating for profit and following the ol' "why get some of the money when you can get all of the money" business model.

You're thinking of the Mozilla Foundation, which is not-for-profit. The Foundation owns the Mozilla Corporation, which is "for-profit" and develops Firefox and MDN.

Money flows from the Corporation to the Foundation every year.

Re: MDN Plus

#130
post #102

This reminded me that I wanted to donate to MDN. And I just went on a quick journey through the MDN web site to find how and where you can do that. It's not clear to me at all how or even if you can donate to MDN. Am I missing something? Elsewhere in this thread is a link to a separate organization called "OpenWebDocs," which appears to be an outside consortium that contributes to MDN. So perhaps donating to them is…

It's under Open Web Docs: https://opencollective.com/open-web-docs

https://hacks.mozilla.org/2021/01/welcoming-open-web-docs-to...

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