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Re: MDN Plus

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post #25

$5 a month when I'm using my regular web browser (chrome), $10 a month when I'm using private navigation. $10 a month on Firefox too. Maybe because I'm in Europe and it's adjusted to salaries/cost of living?

India, with Firefox Focus here, seeing $10 per month/$100 per year. Clear cookies and repeat again a few times, and it’s $5 per month/$50 per year.

This has nothing to do with cost of living or purchasing power parity. It’s just random testing.

Re: MDN Plus

#112
post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Weird idea - since these big companies all voluntarily stopped documenting in favor of MDN, perhaps they should pay Mozilla for this (it's saving them money, after all).

They do: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MDN_Web_Docs https://opencollective.com/open-web-docs

If Mozilla is still having to do a paid option - MDN Plus - they are obviously not getting enough. Looks like around the price of one employee for the top funders.

Unless Mozilla is suddenly operating for profit and following the ol' "why get some of the money when you can get all of the money" business model.

Re: MDN Plus

#113
Nothing is changing is bullshit. They will now have economic incentive NOT to include content in the free docs, but rather in the MDN Plus. As end-users, I'm sure we will soon see outdated articles in the free version.

Re: MDN Plus

#114
post #39

With all the uncountable billions of dollars in the banks of Apple, Microsoft, Google etc, none of them can manage to come up with documentation to compete with MDN which has to go freemium to be viable. Presumably that’s because they can’t link your identity to it or something, making it nit worthwhile doing. Apple: “we’re a hardware company, it’s not our job to document the web” Microsoft: “Internet Explorer failed…

It was a concious decision in 2017 to close Google's and Microsoft's web documentation portals so that MDN can be a unified source of truth: https://www.zdnet.com/article/developers-rejoice-microsoft-g...

That's not the entire story. Google still has web.dev, which blurs the line between "web platform" features and Google-specific or "experimental" features. Neither of the two actively promote MDN either (web.dev doesn't mention it even where it would make sense).

This doesn't seem as much of an intentional decision of the two corporations to promote MDN as an independent resource but more likely the result of developers working for these companies refusing to compete with MDN.

Re: MDN Plus

#115
post #37
post #26

At first glance, this feels a little distasteful. I've always thought of the MDN docs like Wikipedia; a non-profit public resource. Attempting to monetize it feels... wrong somehow. So long as the docs themselves remain under CC-BY-SA though guess it's not really a problem. The premium features they currently offer seem reasonable, and if things ever get too out of hand the community could always just move to another…

I don't really understand how offering better content against money is worse than asking for money regularly like Wikipedia does (especially when they seem to just consume more and more money).

Because there are tons of people who cannot pay for services like this (lower class, students, third-world countries, etc), and learning how to build and deploy technology is powerful leverage to improving their quality of life.

Re: MDN Plus

#116
post #102

This reminded me that I wanted to donate to MDN. And I just went on a quick journey through the MDN web site to find how and where you can do that. It's not clear to me at all how or even if you can donate to MDN. Am I missing something? Elsewhere in this thread is a link to a separate organization called "OpenWebDocs," which appears to be an outside consortium that contributes to MDN. So perhaps donating to them is…

Afaik MDN maintainence is under the Mozilla Corporation (which also works on Firefox), the for-profit under the Mozilla Foundation (which primarily works on internet advocacy). You cannot directly donate to the Mozilla Corporation, and money donated to the Foundation can't be used in the Corporation (it's not that easy to avoid taxes).

Re: MDN Plus

#117

With all the uncountable billions of dollars in the banks of Apple, Microsoft, Google etc, none of them can manage to come up with documentation to compete with MDN which has to go freemium to be viable. Presumably that’s because they can’t link your identity to it or something, making it nit worthwhile doing. Apple: “we’re a hardware company, it’s not our job to document the web” Microsoft: “Internet Explorer failed…

Btw, Google does create a lot of content on web development (ex on webrtc.org, web.dev, html5rocks.com etc) including on various youtube GDG channels and release quite a bit of OSS reference implementations too.

Re: MDN Plus

#118

If EU really cared about privacy, EU would fully fund Mozilla.

The EU should definitely contribute to the Open Web Docs org, which seems to be the financial body for the MDN Web Docs specifically. The EU has been paying grants for less useful projects than this.

Mozilla, though, not so much. Given the ridiculous paychecks its C-level management has been caching in the midst of the massive layouts that cannibalized most of its most promising projects (including MDN staff), I don't think funding is the primary problem holding them back right now.

Re: MDN Plus

#119
post #109

I wasn't totally against this until I discovered the A/B testing thing with the subscription costs. Something about that stinks. Just name your price and I'll think about it, don't be shady about it.

I mean..aren't they doing exactly that?

They are naming different prices for different people.

You walk into a bar and the guy in front of you orders a beer for $5. Looks good, so you order the same thing. The bartender says, "For you it's $10." Do you feel fairly treated?

Re: MDN Plus

#120
post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They do: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MDN_Web_Docs https://opencollective.com/open-web-docs

If Mozilla is still having to do a paid option - MDN Plus - they are obviously not getting enough. Looks like around the price of one employee for the top funders. Unless Mozilla is suddenly operating for profit and following the ol' "why get some of the money when you can get all of the money" business model.

They may not be for profit, but they can be inefficient enough.
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