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Re: The only Buddhist region in Europe

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What's the big deal:"a piece of Asia on the European continent", Europe and Asia are two parts of one continent, Eurasia

The Ural mountains divide Europe from Asia. It can also be argued that the division of Europe from the Mid East (East Med) is between Christianity and Islam.

Re: The only Buddhist region in Europe

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It seems weird Buddhism is such a minor religion in Europe while it is so rational, based on individual experience (rather than belief) gained through reproducible applied self-regulation techniques, backed by neuroscience and explained with consistent philosophical logic.

> Buddhism … is so rational … and explained with consistent philosophical logic.

Are you sure? Perhaps you ought to read about Sokushinbutsu[0].

[0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sokushinbutsu

Re: The only Buddhist region in Europe

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Surprised this is the top thread and unchallenged. Buddhism arrived in China via the Greek Bactrian kingdom {{citation-needed}}. Buddhism arrived in the geographic region currently encompassed by the modern Chinese state via multiple routes over more than a thousand years including innumerable exchanges through the overall Tarim Basin (Xinjiang) or "silk road" area via modern Tajikistan, Afghanistan and Pakistan but…

My apologies for the mistakes in my statement. You seen to know much, much about this topic than me; thank you for adding the nuances this complex topic. My comment was based on my recollection of what I saw at the San Francisco Museum of Asian Arts and some of the descriptions I read there about the various pieces. In all likelihood, my recollection was either incorrect and/or incomplete. I cited the Wikipedia artic…

No worries happy to share. FYI I spent most of my 20s and early 30s traveling with an interest in this topic so have visited most museums out there (including SF) as well as many historic sites (including the white horse temple, most major Buddhist sculptural sites in China, remote border areas, various ancient sites in SEA, etc.). It is a true shame that the historic depth of cultural exchange that evidently occurred in these regions is seemingly being systemically oppressed from the popular and academic record due to modern-day geopolitical concerns.

Most people have never heard of, for example, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nanzhao https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Srivijaya https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M%E1%BB%B9_S%C6%A1n https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ajall_Shams_al-Din_Omar (forbear of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zheng_He ) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paduka_Pahala https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quanzhou#History etc.

After traveling broadly my biggest recommendation is to visit the Museum of World Religions in Taipei, Taiwan. It's a real gem.

Re: The only Buddhist region in Europe

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It seems weird Buddhism is such a minor religion in Europe while it is so rational, based on individual experience (rather than belief) gained through reproducible applied self-regulation techniques, backed by neuroscience and explained with consistent philosophical logic.

As a child I had a subconscious assumption that Christianity wasn't rational, and maintained that view into my mid-twenties. Thankfully, I had the drive to do research on it, and an open enough mind to accept it, because I was ready to reject Christianity completely for a short period. I know this view isn't popular, but today, I see Christianity as the most rational philosophy/religion out there. I think it's been w…

> I think it's been wrongfully misconstrued as irrational by people who don't really understand the religion, inside and out.

You mean by 99.9% of the people. I have no doubt there is everything one may need to get enlightened in Christianity also but Christians have seemingly done amazing job obscuring that. And I can't recognize Christianity as rational because it requires you to just believe all the way through (in Buddhism as I know it believing is considered harmful, you are meant to experience it yourself and even then you are considered a fool if you start believing).

Re: The only Buddhist region in Europe

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It seems weird Buddhism is such a minor religion in Europe while it is so rational, based on individual experience (rather than belief) gained through reproducible applied self-regulation techniques, backed by neuroscience and explained with consistent philosophical logic.

> Buddhism … is so rational … and explained with consistent philosophical logic. Are you sure? Perhaps you ought to read about Sokushinbutsu[0]. [0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sokushinbutsu

I can recognize no problem in this. To me this seems a particularly rational way to die once you feel it's time to. Dying the traditionally western way - suddenly, following disability and sickness, seems way more scary.

Re: The only Buddhist region in Europe

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Has that been continuously practiced? Other wikipedia pages [0][1] on the Sami suggest that they were all converted to Christianity by the end of the 18th century. There are people who practice Norse paganism today but that is a reconstructed faith based on old writings rather than a surviving religion. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christianization_of_the_S%C3%A... [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S%C3%A1mi_peo…

It's unclear to me. The wikipedia article doesn't say, but it seems to refer to it in the present tense as though it is still practiced. I would hope if it died out and was then reconstructed, the entry would mention as much. Here's an article linked to in the entry, which I don't have time to read, but sounds promising: The Decline of the Sámi People’s Indigenous Religion http://www.laits.utexas.edu/sami/diehtu/siid…

The Sami Religion was influenced by but not identical with Norse mythology. It appears to have been extinct for the last couple hundred yeats after facing a significant ongoing persecution and conversion.

Re: The only Buddhist region in Europe

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I always find it quite embarrassing when right-wing politicians here in Germany come up with this or that does not belong to Europe. In all cases this only shows their geographical and historical ignorance. Kalmykia is a good example. Most of these politicians have never understood that Buddism has been part of Europe for centuries. My favorite example, however, is that they mostly do not know that we have had a perm…

While Kalmyk Buddhism is geographically in Europe, it is in a very peripheral part of the continent with virtually no impact on European culture in general. So, it is still reasonable to claim that Buddhism is something foreign to Europe. After all, Buddhism only began to have a real impact culturally in the 19th century with translated literature coming from India and East Asia, not Kalmykia. With regard to Islam in…

There are (Muslim) Lipka Tatars still in USA today, IIRC.

Re: The only Buddhist region in Europe

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Indeed, before the Greeks The Buddha would most commonly only be depicted by his absence, an empty chair or foot prints most famously. It's amazing that the iconography of a religion so ancient and "exotic" is so significantly shaped by European culture.

Hellenism is not a strictly European culture. Most of the hellenic world population lived in Africa or the middle east. These were much larger population centers than cities greece, italy, or anywhere else in the European Mediterranean at the time.

Maybe not European by a strict modern geographic interpretation, but ancient Greek culture laid down so many ideas fundamental to the modern West it would be disingenuous to say it isn't European.

Re: The only Buddhist region in Europe

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It seems weird Buddhism is such a minor religion in Europe while it is so rational, based on individual experience (rather than belief) gained through reproducible applied self-regulation techniques, backed by neuroscience and explained with consistent philosophical logic.

Western/secular Buddhism popularized in the west is generally not the same as Buddhism practiced in Buddhist countries. The actual Buddhist religion teachings can include, depending on the branch: - Hell and heaven realms where you can get reincarnated into if you've lived an especially bad or good life - Various gods and demons - A timeline spanning trillions of years and hundreds of Buddhas - "Celestial Buddhas" th…

Equally, the branch of Protestant Christianity commonly practiced in North America is pretty far from the Christianity practiced in the the Middle East, or Africa, or even big swathes of Europe. Disparate cultures often put their own spin on things, and it's no surprise the relatively rational-secular West put a rational-secular spin on Buddhism.
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