On paper with RDMA and NVMe-OF you could access any drive from any compute unit... but that's easier said than done :)
Servers as they should be – shipping early 2022
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Re: Servers as they should be – shipping early 2022
#102Who is the target customer for this?
This level of integration surely won't come cheap, from what I recall of Server purchasing a target price of ~200-500k per rack would be expected on a TCO of roughly 2x the rack price over 3 years. (Assuming you are buying from Quanta/SuperMicro or other commodity integrator) It's possible the prices are different now, but you would need customers looking to drop > 1 million dollars in CapEx for the management capabi…
Re: Servers as they should be – shipping early 2022
#103Earlier quoted context omitted.
The density they're getting here is significantly higher than AWS Outposts, which is interesting. The top-end (~$600k) AWS Outposts seem to max out at around 1k CPUs and 4.5 TB RAM in a rack (e.g. 12x m5.24xlarge = 12x 384 GB), while this rack can house 2k CPUs and 30 TB (!) RAM.
Yes, well it isn't that dense either. As I have written, it's 32 CPUs (16x 2 CPUs). 1 TB of RAM per CPU is not that huge a deal, it's perhaps 16x 64 GB (Milan uses 8 channels, 2 DIMMs per channel is reasonable), if you consider that is 16 GB of RAM per core. In HPC, you would probably shrink it to 1/4 of the volume (half width, 1 U dual socket server). Oxide probably focuses on optimal thermal efficiency since their…
Re: Servers as they should be – shipping early 2022
#104Earlier quoted context omitted.
Oxide makes the hardware, so it makes sense to use them as the root of trust since you already have to trust them to not make backdoored hardware. Why bother adding more parties? Also, for remote attestation to make sense, it needs to be done in the hardware itself (ie. keys burned into the silicon). I'm not sure how that's supposed to work if you add your own keys, or whether that would even make sense.
"it needs to be done in the hardware itself (ie. keys burned into the silicon)" - this isn't true; this is confusing Trusted Boot and Secure Boot, which are not the same thing (nor is it the only way of implementing Secure Boot). Owner-controlled remote attestation is entirely viable, e.g. Talos II is capable of this with a FlexVer module.
I meant as opposed to keys/signing done in software.
>Owner-controlled remote attestation is entirely viable, e.g. Talos II is capable of this with a FlexVer module.
I skimmed the product brief[1] and it looks like it's basically a TPM that has a secure communications channel (as opposed to LPC which can be MITMed)? I'm not really sure how this is an improvement, because you're still relying on the hardware vendor to send the PCR values. So at the end of the day you still have to trust the hardware vendor, although the signing is done by you, but I'm not really sure how this adds any benefit.
[1] https://www.raptorengineering.com/TALOS/documentation/flexve...
Re: Servers as they should be – shipping early 2022
#105This is a solid private-cloud play aimed at those corporations (probably mainly financials, but other sectors too I'm sure...) who don't want to outsource to the likes of AWS / GCP.
Re: Servers as they should be – shipping early 2022
#106Looks like a white labeled viking VDS2249R running custom software.
This is not my area of expertise, but it does look like that[0]. That "custom software," though, is where the magic often lies. As a software person that worked at hardware companies for most of my career, I know all too well, how disrespectful hardware people are of software. If they have a good software-respecting management chain, then it might be pretty awesome. [0] https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/viking…
Re: Servers as they should be – shipping early 2022
#107Congrats Bryan et al.
Re: Servers as they should be – shipping early 2022
#108In reality I would never want this type of hardware... It reminds me of the old boat anchor bladecenter rigs we used to use. They were great, up until you had to replace one of the blades after the support was up. It's not always practical to replace hardware every 3 years like we're supposed to, so this type of stuff sticks around and gets some barnacles.
What would be fantastic would be if the entire industry committed to an open spec for large chassis like this with a standardized networking and storage overlay... But that would never happen because vendor lock-in is the big money maker in 'enterprise'.
But wow, absolutely gorgeous machines.
Re: Servers as they should be – shipping early 2022
#109I'm curious if ARC will be running with primarycache=metadata to rely on low latency storage and in-VM cache, otherwise I could see ARC using a fair bit of that RAM overhead in the hosts.
Re: Servers as they should be – shipping early 2022
#110This looks interesting (although I'm not in the target market, too small)... But if I were looking at this, judging from the quality of people they've amassed in their engineering team, is there any chance they won't be acquired in 6 months? To anyone looking to take a bet on this, what is the answer to "what's your plan for when your stellar team gets acquired?" And what answer will satisfy that buyer? Update: Addin…
Also, if it's of any solace, I really don't think any of the existing players would be terribly interested in buying a company that has so thoroughly and unequivocally rejected so many of their accrued decisions! ;) I'm pretty sure their due diligence would reveal that we have taken a first principles approach here that is anathema to the iterative one they have taken for decades -- and indeed, these companies have shown time and time again that they don't want to risk their existing product lines to a fresh approach, no matter how badly customers want it.