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Amazon acquires MGM for $8.5B

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Re: Amazon acquires MGM for $8.5B

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All they need now is a house building company and they can sell people everything they need for their entire life (the grocery store, entertainment, health, news, movies, music, goods). Then they can start selling Gatorade for plants to their customers.

Gatorade. It's got electrolytes. It's what plants crave. I think you might be onto something here.

Re: Amazon acquires MGM for $8.5B

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> The meaninglessness of $8.45b relative to amazon's scale is mind boggling. My coworked compared it to the Dogecoin marketcap of $44b... kinda puts things in perspective.

Crypto "market cap" isn't really comparable to the market cap of companies. Nobody would (or could) ever buy Dogecoin for 44b. But companies are usually purchased for more than market cap.

Er, yes they would. Thousands of people already have, that's why its 44bn. It's a market cap not a paper valuation. Are you suggesting that if someone wanted to buy Doge outright they could pay less than it's market cap?

Re: Amazon acquires MGM for $8.5B

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> The deal can be viewed as a doubling down on business strategy that Jeff Bezos, Amazon’s CEO, articulated at a conference in 2016: “When we win a Golden Globe, it helps us sell more shoes,” he had said, referring to Amazon's diverse business divisions. This part is a real nugget.

I'm sure Bezos knows what he's talking about, but how does this work exactly? Amazon Prime Video and the marketplace have different entry points. Is the idea just general brand awareness?

A customer buys into the Amazon Prime bundle.

You can get standalone Amazon Prime Video membership — buuut it's about the same price as complete Amazon Prime membership! So you might as well get the complete membership and get all the perks you might want in the future.

And bam, you're now in the Amazon Prime universe. One day you'll be comparison shopping for a specific pair of shoes you like online, and you'll see that Amazon has the lowest (or one of the lowest) prices plus free one- or two-day shipping, and hey, you've got that Prime membership from back when you wanted to watch Amazon Prime Video. Deal sealed.

It lowers the barriers for every Amazon Prime-connected entry point.

Re: Amazon acquires MGM for $8.5B

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> Piracy is competition to bad content behavior. No it isn't. It's a workaround. This is an 8 billion dollar deal, there would have to be an impossible amount of piracy for it to count as "competition." This is precisely the reason why government regulation here is correct, as consumers, we don't have a lever long enough to have any real impact on the core problem. And we're just one side of the deal. These types of…

> No it isn't. It's a workaround. Sure, but it's a trivially easy workaround. Our focus of attention on matters of regulation ought to be in those areas where working around the problem is not nearly as dead simple as a torrent client, a NAS, and a Plex server.

The two solutions don't play in the same ballpark of EV either. With Torrent and NAS and Plex you're talking niche phenomena forever.

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So what we're seeing is a repeat of the film industry from 1930's-1950's. You want to see a Paramount movie, you must go to a Paramount theater. Today you want to watch an Apple show you must go to Apple's VOD. We could really use laws that force, once again, some sort of separation between production and distribution. Better stuff gets made in this kind of ecosystem.

Isn't this more like cable tv packages, where you add another $10/month to your bill for that package of channels, which were often focused by broadcaster, who had a bunch of exclusive shows, or themes, like sci-fi or 'cartoon network'.

Netflix, Apple TV, etc are broadcasters and crunchyroll is thematic.

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Piracy was the Easiest/Only way to get content until ~2008ish. Since then; Netflix and (...x streaming platform) made it easier/better to Pay for the content than pirate it. It does feel like we're approaching a tipping point now in the other direction with all of these streaming fiefdoms. My household has Netflix, Hulu, D+, and Prime streaming now - that's already too many and needs pairing IMO.

>> Piracy was the Easiest/Only way to get content until ~2008ish. Since then; Netflix and (...x streaming platform) made it easier/better to Pay for the content than pirate it. Fragmentation still hurts this to an extreme, and - worse - God-awful region locks. As a fan of obscure, cult and independent cinema in particular it’s a wasteland of titles strewn across 5 different services, and being Canadian, piracy is jus…

The set of people who know how to set up Plex/Roku is very, very small. My parents can barely figure out how to use Netflix. This is why monthly streaming services exist and will continue to exist

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> hopefully you can shop around i.e., if you're lucky enough to have more than one alternative (if any).

There may be places that have only one provider with only one option in that provider, but are those places really $135/month with all the TV channels? The issue might be paying for things that are already free over the Internet.

In the U.S. the vast majority of places have only only provider, there is no shopping around. $135/month sounds about right for the complete package. If you're lucky that includes a "special" on including HBO.

Virtually all places have "specials" on the first year of service, wherein the price will increase 50% or even 100% after the first year, which will almost always put you well into the $100+ range.

Re: Amazon acquires MGM for $8.5B

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So what we're seeing is a repeat of the film industry from 1930's-1950's. You want to see a Paramount movie, you must go to a Paramount theater. Today you want to watch an Apple show you must go to Apple's VOD. We could really use laws that force, once again, some sort of separation between production and distribution. Better stuff gets made in this kind of ecosystem.

> We could really use laws that force, once again, some sort of separation between production and distribution. Piracy is competition to bad content behavior. It's a meaningful consumer response to monopoly, balkanization and other anti-consumer practices.

I don't think you can prove that piracy is an effective means to incentivize good behavior on the part of the media industries. Also, it seems irresponsible to openly promote theft as a 'good idea'. I understand there are arguments against calling or treating piracy as theft but at the end of the day you are taking something that isn't yours without paying for it. Encouraging people to take part in illegal activity on the internet has real consequences. I'm guilty of wanting to fight fire with fire as well — and in the past I've pirated plenty. Looking back, it wasn't a good idea then and it still isn't today.

Re: Amazon acquires MGM for $8.5B

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> hopefully you can shop around i.e., if you're lucky enough to have more than one alternative (if any).

There may be places that have only one provider with only one option in that provider, but are those places really $135/month with all the TV channels? The issue might be paying for things that are already free over the Internet.

I can assure you there are.

Comcast hides their real rates as well as they can but in some places they are required to publish them. In my rural area (where they are the only real option):

$139.99 gets you "Select+ Includes Limited Basic, Expanded Basic, Digital Preferred Tier and HD programming for primary outlet, 20 Hour DVR Service, and Blast! Internet"

You can't buy ALL the channels as s bundle but the top tier bundle is $189.99/mo (plus fees)

The prices don't sum reasonably at all and it's not really feasible to calculate a price for TV without internet (and its very difficult to order such a thing)

Source: https://comcaststore.s3.amazonaws.com/prod/wk/urc/585bc33c5b...

Re: Amazon acquires MGM for $8.5B

#530

The meaninglessness of $8.45b relative to amazon's scale is mind boggling. It represents 0.5% of their market cap, 20% of their cash-on-hand, nevermind their borrowing capacity @ near 0%. If a problem is worth the Jeff/Andy's personal attention, it's worth spending $8bn on. I'm a broken record but, current equity prices and financial climate generally makes massive consolidation very likely. Antitrust, or fear of is…

Worth noting that based on AAPL's latest 10-Q, the vast majority of their cash is invested in corporate bonds, which have a nominal annualized return of ~6%. I'm sure the financial value of any acquisition is pitted against this alternative.

In theory, sure.

In real business culture, there is an imputis (especially for tech companies) to "maKe money work." If their best investment is other companies' bonds, they should (again, in theory) just return cash to investors who can buy the bonds themselves.

More importantly, The ability to reinvest profitably is a sign of horizon, at least traditionally.

I stress "in theory," because theory is a long way from practice when it comes to modern tech giants. The theory is financial theory... how companies are financed. In theory, equity investment is a way of financing companies. Google and Facebook did not need to be financed by the time they became publicly traded. They never had debt. Software companies don't require capital investment to expand, like a theoretical "firm" does. In practice, public markets have no role in financing companies per se, they're only there to provide liquidity.

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