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Re: One week of Libera Chat

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Post by lolinder »

simias wrote: post #90
lolinder wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The same is true for any open protocol, at least at first. Any open protocol has to reach widespread usage first, and only then will incumbents have to adopt it. That's an extremely difficult task, but hopefully not impossible.

Is there a single example in recent memory of an open protocol achieving mainstream success without being sponsored by a large company? I really wish something like this Solid protocol would succeed, but I don't see how you could generate enough momentum for it at the moment.

I'm not aware of any, no, and there's 0 incentive for any large company to sponsor one.

Re: One week of Libera Chat

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Post by myself248 »

chishaku wrote: post #60
phoe-krk wrote: post #6

The noteworthy (IMO, obviously) communities/projects that I have seen jump ship (either voluntarily or by force) are wikimedia & wikimedia, ubuntu, gentoo, centos, kde, postgres, sourcehut, wesnoth, mutt, vim, emacs, lisp, scheme, clojure, haskell. Any other ones that I haven't seen yet?

Is irc the primary means of communication for all these projects?

Not sure I'd call it primary for all of them, but it's been a supremely useful, and speedy, support resource whenever I've needed it. Being able to just blindly /join #name_of_project and land somewhere useful (even if unofficial) is like magic.

Re: One week of Libera Chat

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Post by myself248 »

rplnt wrote: post #64
bayindirh wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> And the interface is better than Slack. Don't tell it everywhere. Some people might get offended. :D I agree with you though.

Is there a way to get similar feel that slack has for irc? You know, half a gigabyte of client data, at least 1GB of ram usage, multiple processes, high cpu load?

Not aware of how to do any of those things, but if you want some of the _better_ aspects: Lives in a browser tab, connect from anywhere, etc, look into TheLounge or Convos as your client. I'm a major version behind on TheLounge and it's still fantastic.

Re: One week of Libera Chat

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Post by aaronmdjones »

supermatt wrote: post #43
tokai wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>It is not clear who the owner is The owner are the members of the organization. Look up what an Ideell Förening is.

Can you prove that this Ideell Förening exists? Can you prove that libera.chat domain name is registered on behalf of that org? These are things that should be provable! Anyone can say: "I am the chairperson of an Ideell Förening called Libera Chat, and it holds every privacy protected domain on the planet (apart from the ones you know of that belong to others).". Prove me wrong. Show the official registration inform…

As has already been explained by others in this thread (e.g. [1]); we are still waiting for the Swedish tax authority to get back to us. We will be happy to publish a registration number when we are assigned one.

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27289911

Re: One week of Libera Chat

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Post by wearywanderer »

hnarn wrote: post #67
ta8645 wrote: post #46

How is Libera meant to be pronounced? L-eye-beer-ah, or maybe "liberal" without the trailing ell? Freenode was such a great name, this one is hard to warm up to in the same way.

It's an English word, you can listen to it here: https://www.dictionary.com/browse/libera

Wiktionary, which I usually find to be more comprehensive and accurate than the commercial dictionaries, lists 'libera' as a word in Esperanto, Galician, Ido, Italian, Latin, Portuguese, Romanian, and Spanish. But not English.

Regardless, it doesn't seem like a challenging word to me, somebody who has only ever spoken English. I just pronounce it like it's written, "lib-eh-ra", it never occurred to me that this world might be challenging.

Re: One week of Libera Chat

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Post by shakna »

capableweb wrote: post #120
phoe-krk wrote: post #6

The noteworthy (IMO, obviously) communities/projects that I have seen jump ship (either voluntarily or by force) are wikimedia & wikimedia, ubuntu, gentoo, centos, kde, postgres, sourcehut, wesnoth, mutt, vim, emacs, lisp, scheme, clojure, haskell. Any other ones that I haven't seen yet?

> clojure While there is a #clojure on both Freenode and Libera, it's not official as far as I know. Also, https://clojure.org/community/resources still links to the Freenode channel. Most of the Clojure community hangs around on Zulip and Slack (Clojurians) more than IRC anyways.

The Freenode channel says it has moved:

> ChanServ: This channel is moving to #clojure on irc.libera.chat

Re: One week of Libera Chat

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Post by admax88q »

sdflhasjd wrote: post #20

Libera has made itself our home very quickly, and I commend the Libera staff that have worked to approve our project group and set up cloaks. When the issue blew up last week, we quickly reserved our slot on Libera just in case. Some of our staff were pushing harder for Libera, and I was concerned it was a bit fervent and sensational, but ultimately went along with it. It's been sad to see over the last week how quic…

What did Andrew do this morning?

Re: One week of Libera Chat

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Post by hobofan »

medstrom wrote: post #52
hobofan wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's also a good use case for a good old .vcard, which already has semantics for plenty of contact fields, so I wouldn't be surprised if there are some for IRC.

Modern phones have done their utmost to end these. If you even find the option to load a vcard they will (often sneakily) copy the contents to Google Contacts or similar, and you don't know if the phone is even keeping the vcard updated. It has made the approach feel unreliable.

I've switched to self-hosting my contacts with Radicale[0] (with "backups" to a git repo) synced via DavX5[1], with no problem of them mixing with Google Contacts. It's pretty annoying though that basically no current contacts app recognizes common fields like the nickname for a person.

[0]: https://radicale.org/

[1]: https://www.davx5.com/

Re: One week of Libera Chat

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Post by yrro »

rplnt wrote: post #65
CornCobs wrote: post #10

The identical experience of libera chat makes me realize how useful open protocols are, and how much harder it would be to do something like this with some platform like discord

Not too long ago Slack supported IRC gateways, with limited features of course.

Embrace, Extend, Extinguish...

Re: One week of Libera Chat

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Post by longwave »

admax88q wrote: post #127
sdflhasjd wrote: post #20

Libera has made itself our home very quickly, and I commend the Libera staff that have worked to approve our project group and set up cloaks. When the issue blew up last week, we quickly reserved our slot on Libera just in case. Some of our staff were pushing harder for Libera, and I was concerned it was a bit fervent and sensational, but ultimately went along with it. It's been sad to see over the last week how quic…

What did Andrew do this morning?

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27286628
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