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Re: Neovim 0.5 is overpowering

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Post by gen220 »

brianvli wrote: post #53
agambrahma wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

OTOH, Neovim can work in a remote SSH session, fully featured within a terminal. (Yes, I know people don't do a lot of SSH-ing and coding these days)

+1 to this. Having nvim as my daily driver allowed me to NOT upgrade my 4 year old macbook with the next top-of-the-line macbook, saving me an arm and a leg. Instead I just got a gaming PC with way higher specs for less than half the price and I just ssh into it now. It's also neat to be able to code from an iPad by SSH'ing with Termius :)

It also allows you to go the other direction, and purchase a $200, nearly ten year old thinkpad, since it meets all your requirements for being productive.

Re: Neovim 0.5 is overpowering

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Post by skohan »

With LSP support now coming "out of the box" with neovim and SublimeText 4 I'm hopeful that it can escape the microsoft ecosystem and truly become an open standard. I tried implementing an LSP several months ago without using VSCode as a test bench, and the tooling and documentation weren't there - but with more default implementations out there, hopefully it can change

Re: Neovim 0.5 is overpowering

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Post by br3akaway »

knuthsat wrote: post #105
azinman2 wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you find your brain can actually work that way? My issue with all of these relative jump points, repeat this N times, etc of VIM is by the time I’ve calculated in my mind what the command should be I’d have already done it with just standard navigation/mark/yank/repeat. But perhaps you have galaxy brain ;)

Yeah, just recently I had to edit text like this 'name1', 'name2', 'name3', to: 'name1': Enum.Name1, 'name2': Enum.Name2, 'name3': Enum.Name3, by the time I figured out a sequence of keyboard commands I'm pretty sure I could have multicursored it pretty easily, go to name1, create 2 cursors, select word & copy, start typing : Enum., paste selected word, select word, capitalize, type , In vim it was something like qdy…

Text like that should work well with block selection/block insert mode.

Re: Neovim 0.5 is overpowering

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Post by majkinetor »

curriculum wrote: post #56
anaganisk wrote: post #36

I have an honest question, the real advantage of Vi is its installed everywhere, and just works over ssh. What is the benefit of a terminal IDE like neovim or vim with tens of something plugins? Vscode or other powerful IDEs do the work much better.

It's a good question. I'm very critical of my tools and I'm a 10+ year vim user, so I've thought a lot about this. vim's "killer feature" is its text editing language and modality. But plenty of other editors and IDEs offer vim emulation to varying degrees of success. So this can't be the reason to use (neo)vim-the-binary as my editor over, e.g., VSCode. So for me the real advantage of vim is in its flexibility. I ca…

You can do that literary everywhere and with any editor, and even without editor. I created this when I was using vim: https://github.com/majkinetor/vim-omnipresence and this to be used with any OS control: https://github.com/majkinetor/isense-x (here used for AHK intelisense but that is just 1 usecase)

The real benefit of vim vs any editor is modality and there is AFAIK nothing similar in any editor even with emulators. Editing/moving over text is just way faster with vim then any other editor (not just slightly faster, light years faster). I use vscode now because vim requires A LOT of setup and even when automated its pain in the ass. VScode and its plugin sync on the other hand makes it very fast to install anywhere with your config and keys so it compensate for slower editing to me since I need to have my editor EVERYWHERE (literary hundreds of computers).

Re: Neovim 0.5 is overpowering

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Post by [deleted] »

knuthsat wrote: post #105
azinman2 wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you find your brain can actually work that way? My issue with all of these relative jump points, repeat this N times, etc of VIM is by the time I’ve calculated in my mind what the command should be I’d have already done it with just standard navigation/mark/yank/repeat. But perhaps you have galaxy brain ;)

Yeah, just recently I had to edit text like this 'name1', 'name2', 'name3', to: 'name1': Enum.Name1, 'name2': Enum.Name2, 'name3': Enum.Name3, by the time I figured out a sequence of keyboard commands I'm pretty sure I could have multicursored it pretty easily, go to name1, create 2 cursors, select word & copy, start typing : Enum., paste selected word, select word, capitalize, type , In vim it was something like qdy…

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Re: Neovim 0.5 is overpowering

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Post by mFixman »

knuthsat wrote: post #105
azinman2 wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you find your brain can actually work that way? My issue with all of these relative jump points, repeat this N times, etc of VIM is by the time I’ve calculated in my mind what the command should be I’d have already done it with just standard navigation/mark/yank/repeat. But perhaps you have galaxy brain ;)

Yeah, just recently I had to edit text like this 'name1', 'name2', 'name3', to: 'name1': Enum.Name1, 'name2': Enum.Name2, 'name3': Enum.Name3, by the time I figured out a sequence of keyboard commands I'm pretty sure I could have multicursored it pretty easily, go to name1, create 2 cursors, select word & copy, start typing : Enum., paste selected word, select word, capitalize, type , In vim it was something like qdy…

This looks like the sort of thing you would intuitively solve with visual selection and a regex.

```

    Vjj:s/\v'(.*)',/'\1': Enum.\u\1,/
```

This is all just muscle memory. It seems impossible until you get used to it, and then it's the most natural thing in the world.

Re: Neovim 0.5 is overpowering

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Post by layer8 »

knuthsat wrote: post #105
azinman2 wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you find your brain can actually work that way? My issue with all of these relative jump points, repeat this N times, etc of VIM is by the time I’ve calculated in my mind what the command should be I’d have already done it with just standard navigation/mark/yank/repeat. But perhaps you have galaxy brain ;)

Yeah, just recently I had to edit text like this 'name1', 'name2', 'name3', to: 'name1': Enum.Name1, 'name2': Enum.Name2, 'name3': Enum.Name3, by the time I figured out a sequence of keyboard commands I'm pretty sure I could have multicursored it pretty easily, go to name1, create 2 cursors, select word & copy, start typing : Enum., paste selected word, select word, capitalize, type , In vim it was something like qdy…

I would have used visual block mode to duplicate the 123 column and insert the remaining content for all three lines simultaneously. If the situation is a bit more complex, I sometimes use regex replace applied to a line range.

Re: Neovim 0.5 is overpowering

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Post by Jiejeing »

anaganisk wrote: post #36

I have an honest question, the real advantage of Vi is its installed everywhere, and just works over ssh. What is the benefit of a terminal IDE like neovim or vim with tens of something plugins? Vscode or other powerful IDEs do the work much better.

Neovim also "just works" over SSH, and vim fragmentation has always been a thing anyway (e.g. debian shipping vim-tiny by default which is technically vim but also very lacking).

Also using IDEs vs text editors with plugins is a matter of preference (and flamewar) and I disagree with your last statement.

Re: Neovim 0.5 is overpowering

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Post by michaelmior »

addicted wrote: post #109
knuthsat wrote: post #105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, just recently I had to edit text like this 'name1', 'name2', 'name3', to: 'name1': Enum.Name1, 'name2': Enum.Name2, 'name3': Enum.Name3, by the time I figured out a sequence of keyboard commands I'm pretty sure I could have multicursored it pretty easily, go to name1, create 2 cursors, select word & copy, start typing : Enum., paste selected word, select word, capitalize, type , In vim it was something like qdy…

Or, you could have hit qt, recorded your commands for the first change, and then replicated it for every other line with a simple @t, instead of redoing all the changes each time. You don't have to learn command. You simply need to know how to edit with VIM. And multi cursors only work for tabular data. The macro recordings can work for the entire document where you call a macro on a word/regex you searched for, for…

> multi cursors only work for tabular data

There are several plugins which allow for more complex use of multiple cursors.

* https://github.com/mg979/vim-visual-multi

* https://github.com/terryma/vim-multiple-cursors

Re: Neovim 0.5 is overpowering

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Post by tharne »

SPBS wrote: post #15

I use nvim in the terminal and gvim/macvim on the desktop. I don't like how the nvim community seems to be throwing themselves wholeheartedly into lua and lua-only plugins (vimscript plugins are better because they work with both vim and neovim). Switching to init.lua also means losing all compatibility with vim, and I cannot fathom why people would want to do that considering that there is nothing that init.vim cann…

> I don't like how the nvim community seems to be throwing themselves wholeheartedly into lua and lua-only plugins

The transition to lua can't come soon enough, imho. The biggest downside to vim is vimscript. Lua is a delightful little language and the sooner it replaces vimscript the better.

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