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Neovim 0.5 is overpowering

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Re: Neovim 0.5 is overpowering

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Post by rfcat »

PestoDiRucola wrote: post #59

I don't want to be flamed or start a debate about the values of one or the other, but why should someone in 2021 go through the hassle of setting up (neo)vim or any other terminal or barebones editor (looking at you emacs) when there's perfect solutions out there that work out of the box with a lot of features that neovim has. For example VSCode uses LSP "natively" and even has an excellent vi emulator you can instal…

Vim does not spy on you and does not lag when pressing buttons. Why use inferior Microsoft products?

Re: Neovim 0.5 is overpowering

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Post by bugzz »

PestoDiRucola wrote: post #59

I don't want to be flamed or start a debate about the values of one or the other, but why should someone in 2021 go through the hassle of setting up (neo)vim or any other terminal or barebones editor (looking at you emacs) when there's perfect solutions out there that work out of the box with a lot of features that neovim has. For example VSCode uses LSP "natively" and even has an excellent vi emulator you can instal…

Before I learned to use vim (neovim), I used VSCode. I tried to use the vi emulator extension in VSCode, but found it difficult to use due to hotkey conflicts, like trying to do something in vim but it's already a VSCode hotkey that does something else. The "hassle" of setting up Neovim really isn't that bad, and I'm very happy that I've been able to set up a customized experience that's contained in a single dotfile.

Re: Neovim 0.5 is overpowering

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Post by psalminen »

the_jeremy wrote: post #21
oblio wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The thing is, Vimscript sucks. Using a more mainstream language would be great for a modern advanced editor. Vim has a ton of Vimscript plugins but I wonder how long it will take the Neovim community to replicate most of their functionality in Lua. I'd guess that not that long.

I spent 10 hours learning enough vimscript to make a command to check if a line is commented, comment it if not, or uncomment if it is, be able to handle multiple filetype and comment chars, and be able to handle proper indentation and multi-line selection. I have to imagine it would be simpler in other languages. Vimscript is hard.

Out of curiosity, does your's have any benefits over NERDCommenter?

Re: Neovim 0.5 is overpowering

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Post by kstrauser »

PestoDiRucola wrote: post #59

I don't want to be flamed or start a debate about the values of one or the other, but why should someone in 2021 go through the hassle of setting up (neo)vim or any other terminal or barebones editor (looking at you emacs) when there's perfect solutions out there that work out of the box with a lot of features that neovim has. For example VSCode uses LSP "natively" and even has an excellent vi emulator you can instal…

Without going deeply into it, I think that characterizing Emacs as a "barebones editor" is deeply flawed.

I switched from Emacs to VSCode because I liked the feel of the more modern UI, but it certainly wasn't because Emacs was less good as an IDE. I can't think of anything I do in VSCode that I didn't have configured in Emacs.

Re: Neovim 0.5 is overpowering

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Post by alpaca128 »

curriculum wrote: post #37

I'm most excited for the treesitter integration and its potential to amplify Vim's "killer feature": text editing as a language. Vim's editing language feels most powerful when I'm using its text objects: "ciw" means "change in word", "cis" means "change in sentence", and so on. But Vim's built-in text objects are not always a perfect match for the code you're editing. Suppose you want to change the first argument of…

I'm excited about it because Vim's usual syntax highlighting is rather fragile. As far as I understand it Vim does the highlighting in the same thread, and to ensure good performance it enforces a time limit for the file parsing. In larger files this frequently leads to weirdly flickering highlighting when scrolling.

Going from that to actual syntax parsing is a dream come true.

Re: Neovim 0.5 is overpowering

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Post by SkyMarshal »

azinman2 wrote: post #67
curriculum wrote: post #37

I'm most excited for the treesitter integration and its potential to amplify Vim's "killer feature": text editing as a language. Vim's editing language feels most powerful when I'm using its text objects: "ciw" means "change in word", "cis" means "change in sentence", and so on. But Vim's built-in text objects are not always a perfect match for the code you're editing. Suppose you want to change the first argument of…

Do you find your brain can actually work that way? My issue with all of these relative jump points, repeat this N times, etc of VIM is by the time I’ve calculated in my mind what the command should be I’d have already done it with just standard navigation/mark/yank/repeat. But perhaps you have galaxy brain ;)

For many commands you’ll only have to make that calculation once, and will remember it going forward. Only commands that are extremely rarely used you may forget and have to reconstruct with the calculation again later.

Re: Neovim 0.5 is overpowering

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Post by sophacles »

Kaze404 wrote: post #54
curriculum wrote: post #37

I'm most excited for the treesitter integration and its potential to amplify Vim's "killer feature": text editing as a language. Vim's editing language feels most powerful when I'm using its text objects: "ciw" means "change in word", "cis" means "change in sentence", and so on. But Vim's built-in text objects are not always a perfect match for the code you're editing. Suppose you want to change the first argument of…

Are there really no plugins for that? In Doom Emacs "cia" deletes an argument normally, which I assume is done by an evil mode plugin, so I thought there was one for Vim as well.

Various plugins can do it on a per language basis, but tree sitter is a nice abstraction that allows such commands to be done with a simple mapping - then tree sitter (with a per-language plugin) will parse to the same ASTish thing, so any language that has function arguments will have the same commands working the same way.

I'm actually kind of excited about tree-sitter - it's not a neovim feature, it's an independent project that can be used a lot of places. I think the effect will be similar to how LSP changed the landscape from "every editor does some parts of handling language X well, but the parts each editor does are different from each other" to "all the editors get this feature when the language server does", just for syntax highlighting and syntax aware edition.

Re: Neovim 0.5 is overpowering

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Post by bntyhntr »

PestoDiRucola wrote: post #59

I don't want to be flamed or start a debate about the values of one or the other, but why should someone in 2021 go through the hassle of setting up (neo)vim or any other terminal or barebones editor (looking at you emacs) when there's perfect solutions out there that work out of the box with a lot of features that neovim has. For example VSCode uses LSP "natively" and even has an excellent vi emulator you can instal…

1) That sweet sweet feeling of feeling different. I've come to accept that part of the reason I use linux and vim is I derive some satisfaction from being "hipster". But not enough to say, use gentoo :)

2) Simplicity. Even with all my vim plugins, I never have issues with "IDE hogging all my ram" or "intellij crashes when loading a working set including this commit" (it worked for me...).

3) Ease of access. When remoting into my boxes, I can just tmux attach and continue editing where I left off, even on a shitty connection (using mosh). Very useful on train/conference wifi.

In the spirit of your first clause, these are personal reasons that work for me. I have not listed the cons, of which there are many, and don't expect my reasons to apply universally.

Re: Neovim 0.5 is overpowering

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Post by ybbond »

skrtskrt wrote: post #23

I switched from vim to neovim because I thought I needed to to use coc.nvim - turns out I didn't need to, coc.nvim works in vim 8+ As a neovim user who is just having neovim load my vimrc - nothing neovim specific -, I don't see a huge difference. Are there features I am missing out on? I do like the idea of having everything in my vimrc so I could still use it with vim on a server if needed.

when you do

```:s%/search term/replacement ```

it will load preview window showing the replacements you'd implement. neat feature I always like

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