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Neovim 0.5 is overpowering

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Re: Neovim 0.5 is overpowering

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Post by mjlbach »

rajin444 wrote: post #27
varbhat wrote: post #2

Neovim 0.5 is awesome. It has native LSP support, Lua configuration support that it feels like true revolution over past versions. But, getting into optimal setup in neovim/vim involves lot of configuration. Here is mine if you want to refer: https://github.com/varbhat/dotfiles/tree/main/dot_config/nvi...

I tried out the native LSP support few months ago and the docs + features for it seemed poor. I went back to coc.vim

Have you checked it out recently? I overhauled the documentation twice since January. Most recently, I dramatically simplified the documentation based on user feedback, expanded the wiki pages, and created an "advanced" readme for power users.

Re: Neovim 0.5 is overpowering

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Post by PestoDiRucola »

becquerel wrote: post #38
anaganisk wrote: post #36

I have an honest question, the real advantage of Vi is its installed everywhere, and just works over ssh. What is the benefit of a terminal IDE like neovim or vim with tens of something plugins? Vscode or other powerful IDEs do the work much better.

For me, vim is appealing because of the composable keyboard commands that let you navigate through text in a very powerful way. When you get good with it, it's way quicker than using a mouse. It also makes you feel cool, which is most important of all.

You can install a vi emulator that does all of that in most modern text editors or IDEs, VSCode included.

Re: Neovim 0.5 is overpowering

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Post by burke »

anaganisk wrote: post #36

I have an honest question, the real advantage of Vi is its installed everywhere, and just works over ssh. What is the benefit of a terminal IDE like neovim or vim with tens of something plugins? Vscode or other powerful IDEs do the work much better.

The people who actually use neovim disagree with the first and last sentences in your comment.

Re: Neovim 0.5 is overpowering

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Post by curriculum »

Kaze404 wrote: post #54
curriculum wrote: post #37

I'm most excited for the treesitter integration and its potential to amplify Vim's "killer feature": text editing as a language. Vim's editing language feels most powerful when I'm using its text objects: "ciw" means "change in word", "cis" means "change in sentence", and so on. But Vim's built-in text objects are not always a perfect match for the code you're editing. Suppose you want to change the first argument of…

Are there really no plugins for that? In Doom Emacs "cia" deletes an argument normally, which I assume is done by an evil mode plugin, so I thought there was one for Vim as well.

There are, but they usually rely on regex or other brittle approaches, making it difficult to write well. And currently you'll need to use different plugins for different languages (e.g., jedi for python).

Treesitter builds the AST, making it easier to create robust text objects. And it provides a unified interface for a bunch of different languages, meaning that I don't need to have 10 different plugins, one for each language, just to get access to text objects.

Re: Neovim 0.5 is overpowering

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Post by kevinoid »

skrtskrt wrote: post #23

I switched from vim to neovim because I thought I needed to to use coc.nvim - turns out I didn't need to, coc.nvim works in vim 8+ As a neovim user who is just having neovim load my vimrc - nothing neovim specific -, I don't see a huge difference. Are there features I am missing out on? I do like the idea of having everything in my vimrc so I could still use it with vim on a server if needed.

I still use both, with a shared vimrc. The biggest advantage of neovim for me is support for the clipboard in Wayland.[1] There are workarounds for vim (vim-fakeclip[2] is the best I found) but they have many limitations which can be frustrating.

[1]: https://github.com/vim/vim/issues/5157

[2]: https://github.com/kana/vim-fakeclip

Re: Neovim 0.5 is overpowering

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Post by azinman2 »

curriculum wrote: post #37

I'm most excited for the treesitter integration and its potential to amplify Vim's "killer feature": text editing as a language. Vim's editing language feels most powerful when I'm using its text objects: "ciw" means "change in word", "cis" means "change in sentence", and so on. But Vim's built-in text objects are not always a perfect match for the code you're editing. Suppose you want to change the first argument of…

Do you find your brain can actually work that way? My issue with all of these relative jump points, repeat this N times, etc of VIM is by the time I’ve calculated in my mind what the command should be I’d have already done it with just standard navigation/mark/yank/repeat. But perhaps you have galaxy brain ;)

Re: Neovim 0.5 is overpowering

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Post by mjlbach »

ibraheemdev wrote: post #24
varbhat wrote: post #2

Neovim 0.5 is awesome. It has native LSP support, Lua configuration support that it feels like true revolution over past versions. But, getting into optimal setup in neovim/vim involves lot of configuration. Here is mine if you want to refer: https://github.com/varbhat/dotfiles/tree/main/dot_config/nvi...

It is awesome, but I have been running into bugs with it. Memory out of bounds errors, freezing when my project is misconfigured, it doesn't feel stable yet. Is that just me?

Have you filed your issues on our issue tracker (neovim/neovim, not neovim/nvim-lspconfig)? If not, please do! I haven't run into these issue myself, but if you can provide a minimal repro happy to take a look.

Re: Neovim 0.5 is overpowering

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Post by fmakunbound »

PestoDiRucola wrote: post #59

I don't want to be flamed or start a debate about the values of one or the other, but why should someone in 2021 go through the hassle of setting up (neo)vim or any other terminal or barebones editor (looking at you emacs) when there's perfect solutions out there that work out of the box with a lot of features that neovim has. For example VSCode uses LSP "natively" and even has an excellent vi emulator you can instal…

> VSCode uses LSP "natively“

What do you mean by this? Is it some kind of same address space thing rather than LSP servers over sockets?

Re: Neovim 0.5 is overpowering

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Post by wcarss »

PestoDiRucola wrote: post #59

I don't want to be flamed or start a debate about the values of one or the other, but why should someone in 2021 go through the hassle of setting up (neo)vim or any other terminal or barebones editor (looking at you emacs) when there's perfect solutions out there that work out of the box with a lot of features that neovim has. For example VSCode uses LSP "natively" and even has an excellent vi emulator you can instal…

sometimes you do work right in a terminal.

I use Sublime for almost everything, but sometimes I edit code I have on some servers where I don't want to manage a whole git repo and do pushes/pulls. I have vim and a .vimrc on those -- I could imagine replacing them with neovim if it had something shiny enough.

I also sometimes end up just popping open a file locally, e.g. a config file or a one-off script, and I don't want another sublime window for it. I think I may even have less bound to open up vim, for syntax-highlighting reasons.

I'm not saying other people need to do what I do, just explaining that some folks like me like good terminal editors, even if we've moved a lot of daily driving into other applications.

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