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Re: Online Antipiracy firm sending copyright notices for downloading Ubuntu ISO

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Post by fabbari »

mijoharas wrote: post #25
fabbari wrote: post #19

Interesting tidbit: the hash they have for the infringed work it's the correct hash for ubuntu-20.04.2.0-desktop-amd64.iso [0] - this removes any good faith argument on their part. There is an infinitely small chance of collisions - but I would like them to produce a DMCA notice with the actual name of the infringed upon protected media, not just the hash. I believe Canonical should step in, since this is someone cla…

I was interested and also searched the hash ( 4ba4fbf7231a3a660e86892707d25c135533a16a ). I didn't see the second link you posted? and I can't find the hash by CTRL+F on the page when clicking the link? Am I missing something?

You can see the results I see [0] -- and I am now on a different device.

That's the Ubuntu torrent - with the correct hash - but indexed by Google as a Rebirth torrent. At the bottom of the page [1] there is a link to the Lumen Database.

The first link has the hash in the URL. The Lumen Database one - even if I look at the full URLs - doesn't have the hash in the list. I am guessing that one of the pages had a link to the Ubuntu torrent.

This seems like a good reminder that Google decides what we see out of the interwebs!

[0] https://postimg.cc/30R85HHy [1] https://postimg.cc/Z9MjF8K1

Re: Online Antipiracy firm sending copyright notices for downloading Ubuntu ISO

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Post by oscargrouch »

matheusmoreira wrote: post #75
durnygbur wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is an awful symptom of American cultural colonialism. They feed with one hand while slapping in the face with the other. Choke with your sitcoms and superheroes.

Yeah. And if you don't at least look like you're cooperating, the USA will put you in a literal naughty list of bad countries and develop "action plans" for dealing with it. https://ustr.gov/sites/default/files/2019_Special_301_Report... You can't just isolate yourself from them either without massive economic consequences. Even if you suffered through those consequences, they'll probably just force you to trade anyw…

That's why Biden while being a relief to north-americans(and i completely agree) its worse for the rest of the world at least from the perspective of enforcing north-american policies and legislation worldwide (read big-co, intelligence agencies).

Given Trump focus on the internal affairs of the US, while the political climate was toxic at home, at least it let all others breath a little.

Now with Biden it will star all over again.. North-american companies, intelligence agencies, basically the status-quo interests being enforced all over..

At least now the government is caring about the environment and as while at home the policies are more left-leaning, i bet the will not be the same for foreign countries, and i expect things like copyright enforcement to gain more strength (basically all the traditional corporate and government bullies)

From the perspective of international political affairs its the resurgence of the good'ol "United Corporations of America" policy enforcement.

Re: Online Antipiracy firm sending copyright notices for downloading Ubuntu ISO

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Post by mijoharas »

ProtoAES256 wrote: post #78
mijoharas wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

yep, but the comment I replied to said they searched for the hash and found [2] (I presume they searched on google from context). When I search for the hash I don't find [2] coming up in my search results, and when I click through to [2] I don't see the hash in the page.

Pardon for my misinterpretation. Although I don't use google much these days, but I'd assume it be due to location/preference tailor. And yes, I don't see the hash in the page too, I should read it more carefully before commenting. Sorry for the confusion.

No worries, simple mistake. (I felt that I probably wasn't clear enough with my comment!).

Re: Online Antipiracy firm sending copyright notices for downloading Ubuntu ISO

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Post by mijoharas »

fabbari wrote: post #81
mijoharas wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was interested and also searched the hash ( 4ba4fbf7231a3a660e86892707d25c135533a16a ). I didn't see the second link you posted? and I can't find the hash by CTRL+F on the page when clicking the link? Am I missing something?

You can see the results I see [0] -- and I am now on a different device. That's the Ubuntu torrent - with the correct hash - but indexed by Google as a Rebirth torrent. At the bottom of the page [1] there is a link to the Lumen Database. The first link has the hash in the URL. The Lumen Database one - even if I look at the full URLs - doesn't have the hash in the list. I am guessing that one of the pages had a link t…

Definitely a good reminder. I only see [0] (I'm only including the bottom bit, it doesn't appear in the rest of the page either) which doesn't appear to have it.

Thanks for resolving my "not happening on my machine" issue! :)

[0] https://postimg.cc/kVsGC5Yk

Re: Online Antipiracy firm sending copyright notices for downloading Ubuntu ISO

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Post by FireBeyond »

zozbot234 wrote: post #49
Mindwipe wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, you have to demonstrate that it is actually in bad faith rather than just a cock up, and that's not going to happen (especially given it very likely is just a cock up).

They have to state under penalty of perjury that they're authorized to act on behalf of the owner of some relevant right. While that might not necessarily involve the right to the Ubuntu ISO itself (e.g. they might have pattern-matched something else that they're acting on behalf of) they do need some good cover story to avoid perjuring themselves.

In the 23 years DMCA has been active, not one single party has been hit with perjury for a false/"unauthorized" DMCA claim. Not one.

Re: Online Antipiracy firm sending copyright notices for downloading Ubuntu ISO

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Post by TheGigaChad »

optimalsolver wrote: post #15

Hmmm. Linux, and intellectual property. I should say my personal hobby is walking into libertarian communities, asking if there's such a thing as intellectual property, then walking out whistling.

Have you tried walking into a highway and walking out?

Re: Online Antipiracy firm sending copyright notices for downloading Ubuntu ISO

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Post by BrandoElFollito »

durnygbur wrote: post #9

One doesn't know how stressful and infuriating these copyright notices are until one lived in a country with internet hijacked by copyright predators. From the moment of receiving such notice there is only stress, misinformation, and verbal abuse. Thanks Americans. PS. It doesn't matter you downloaded free software, every person you'll contact in the process of straightening this out will be equally clueless and abus…

This is the case with France, but as usual in France there is the law and then the reality.

We had HADOPI, an organization announced as the Hammer of Thor for pirates. Not related but one of the elected members of our Assembly was talking about the OpenOffice Firewall.

Many discussions started on how this is legal and whatnot, an ISP also sent the IPs they were required to provides hardcopied on paper.

People started to create anti-HADPPI pages, after a chaotic discussion the law was changed from "you are a pirate" to "you did not secure your WiFi enough" (literally).

People started to use VPNs and forgot about the organization.

Then million of euros were poured into that idiotic organization (ah, we also have a tax on empty CDs and DVDs because they are used to copy pirated stuff...) and the first courts hit with the Hammer of Thor.

If I remember correctly, one person was convicted to 2000€.

It has now been quietly merged with another organization and I do not know if it still exists.

So much money spent on idiots doing idiotic work for idiotic results. Garbage in, garbage out.

Re: Online Antipiracy firm sending copyright notices for downloading Ubuntu ISO

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Post by phkahler »

Mindwipe wrote: post #45
NmAmDa wrote: post #14

Is there a chance that someone take them to the court for this false claim?

No, you have to demonstrate that it is actually in bad faith rather than just a cock up, and that's not going to happen (especially given it very likely is just a cock up).

>> (especially given it very likely is just a cock up

"Here's the hash of the file you're infringing." I mean, where did they get that from? It's a rather specific thing for a very specific file from a very specific source. How can that possibly be a mistake? At best it's a result of some automation that indiscriminately makes these claims, which doesn't fall under "cock up" in my book.

Re: Online Antipiracy firm sending copyright notices for downloading Ubuntu ISO

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Post by lgierth »

buran77 wrote: post #79
lgierth wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They do need a court order, see my other comment

There are ISPs who provide that information based on agreements with the law firms (what you called the automated process - quite literally there's no meaningful human intervention at any point which goes against every principle). Those cases will be dropped as soon as they receive a counter letter from a lawyer because it's the kind of thing that's supposed to stay in the shadow. A court order is not supposed to be…

Ah I did not know that, thanks! - My dozen or so cases have always had a court order attached. Worrying that there are ISPs that hand out data without one...

Re: Online Antipiracy firm sending copyright notices for downloading Ubuntu ISO

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Post by lgierth »

durnygbur wrote: post #71
lgierth wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They need to go and get a court order, and with that they request the personal data from the respective ISP. The whole process is pretty steamlined and partly automated though. Source: have been through many copyright claims and currently have a supreme court lawsuit pending.

Many claims by copyright predators go through the courts in Munich and Koeln which seem to rubberstamp every case. Cunts from Waldorf Frommer being among the most notorius. If only the healthcare, local administration and other services in Germany were working so seamlessly...

Yep, Waldorf Frommer, and District Court Koeln, fond memories :)
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