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Neovim 0.5 is overpowering

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Re: Neovim 0.5 is overpowering

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Post by the_jeremy »

oblio wrote: post #18
SPBS wrote: post #15

I use nvim in the terminal and gvim/macvim on the desktop. I don't like how the nvim community seems to be throwing themselves wholeheartedly into lua and lua-only plugins (vimscript plugins are better because they work with both vim and neovim). Switching to init.lua also means losing all compatibility with vim, and I cannot fathom why people would want to do that considering that there is nothing that init.vim cann…

The thing is, Vimscript sucks. Using a more mainstream language would be great for a modern advanced editor. Vim has a ton of Vimscript plugins but I wonder how long it will take the Neovim community to replicate most of their functionality in Lua. I'd guess that not that long.

I spent 10 hours learning enough vimscript to make a command to check if a line is commented, comment it if not, or uncomment if it is, be able to handle multiple filetype and comment chars, and be able to handle proper indentation and multi-line selection.

I have to imagine it would be simpler in other languages. Vimscript is hard.

Re: Neovim 0.5 is overpowering

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Post by jeppesen-io »

SPBS wrote: post #15

I use nvim in the terminal and gvim/macvim on the desktop. I don't like how the nvim community seems to be throwing themselves wholeheartedly into lua and lua-only plugins (vimscript plugins are better because they work with both vim and neovim). Switching to init.lua also means losing all compatibility with vim, and I cannot fathom why people would want to do that considering that there is nothing that init.vim cann…

> I don't like how the nvim community seems to be throwing themselves wholeheartedly into lua and lua-only plugins (vimscript plugins are better because they work with both vim and neovim)

How many decades do we continue to use, support and maintain a terrible DSL like vimscript? I personally don't want to be using vimscript in 2030.

It's time to move on. Lua is a solid choice

Re: Neovim 0.5 is overpowering

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Post by skrtskrt »

I switched from vim to neovim because I thought I needed to to use coc.nvim - turns out I didn't need to, coc.nvim works in vim 8+

As a neovim user who is just having neovim load my vimrc - nothing neovim specific -, I don't see a huge difference. Are there features I am missing out on?

I do like the idea of having everything in my vimrc so I could still use it with vim on a server if needed.

Re: Neovim 0.5 is overpowering

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Post by ibraheemdev »

varbhat wrote: post #2

Neovim 0.5 is awesome. It has native LSP support, Lua configuration support that it feels like true revolution over past versions. But, getting into optimal setup in neovim/vim involves lot of configuration. Here is mine if you want to refer: https://github.com/varbhat/dotfiles/tree/main/dot_config/nvi...

It is awesome, but I have been running into bugs with it. Memory out of bounds errors, freezing when my project is misconfigured, it doesn't feel stable yet. Is that just me?

Re: Neovim 0.5 is overpowering

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Post by sriram_sun »

C++ folks, do you see any big improvement in cscope type navigation? I've tried ycm and a couple of others. Now settled on ripgrep. However, I do need a decent plugin that helps with finding references to a symbol and navigation back and forth in C++. Not finding it in nvim after several attempts. Coc+clangd has only added to the headache. Coc is pretty good for js and python though.

Re: Neovim 0.5 is overpowering

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Post by yakubin »

varbhat wrote: post #5
sigzero wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What's a good x-platform GUI for it?

1) Terminal 2) Neovide : https://github.com/Kethku/neovide 3) Neovim-Qt : https://github.com/equalsraf/neovim-qt

Your comment triggers my OCD in 2-3 different ways:

1. First you start numbering with 1.

2. Then you start numbering with 0.

3. You provide links for all but the first element in the list, which, combined with my first 2 points, results in a juxtaposition of "2" and "0", suggesting to my subconscious that I missed something.

Well done.

Re: Neovim 0.5 is overpowering

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Post by rajin444 »

varbhat wrote: post #2

Neovim 0.5 is awesome. It has native LSP support, Lua configuration support that it feels like true revolution over past versions. But, getting into optimal setup in neovim/vim involves lot of configuration. Here is mine if you want to refer: https://github.com/varbhat/dotfiles/tree/main/dot_config/nvi...

I tried out the native LSP support few months ago and the docs + features for it seemed poor. I went back to coc.vim

Re: Neovim 0.5 is overpowering

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Post by ibraheemdev »

rajin444 wrote: post #27
varbhat wrote: post #2

Neovim 0.5 is awesome. It has native LSP support, Lua configuration support that it feels like true revolution over past versions. But, getting into optimal setup in neovim/vim involves lot of configuration. Here is mine if you want to refer: https://github.com/varbhat/dotfiles/tree/main/dot_config/nvi...

I tried out the native LSP support few months ago and the docs + features for it seemed poor. I went back to coc.vim

The features are all there, and I found the documentation was pretty good. There were cases where I had to dig through help pages and github issues to configure things a certain way.

Re: Neovim 0.5 is overpowering

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Post by harryvederci »

Big fan of Neovim 0.5! It's not released yet, but I'm already using it as my Clojure "IDE" at work, and all my nvim configs are written in Fennel, a lispy language that compiles to Lua. I guess it's time for me to start donating to Olical, Technomancy, and the Neovim crew, they do some amazing work!

If you want to learn (Neo)Vim and don't mind a dose of hyperactive video learning, I recommend watching ThePrimeagen his youtube videos. I've been using Vim for years, but still learned new things over there: https://www.youtube.com/c/ThePrimeagen/videos?view=0&sort=da

Oh, also: I kinda instigated this thing, sorry TJ: https://clips.twitch.tv/PrettyAgreeableMagePanicVis-4IhDSOhr...

Re: Neovim 0.5 is overpowering

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Post by typon »

skrtskrt wrote: post #23

I switched from vim to neovim because I thought I needed to to use coc.nvim - turns out I didn't need to, coc.nvim works in vim 8+ As a neovim user who is just having neovim load my vimrc - nothing neovim specific -, I don't see a huge difference. Are there features I am missing out on? I do like the idea of having everything in my vimrc so I could still use it with vim on a server if needed.

In general, nvim has better defaults than vim. You can simulate an out of the box nvim experience by adding a few lines to your .vimrc.

Besides that, I think the only big difference I've noticed is the nvim exclusive plugins.

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